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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are what point do they stop pretending and just make it a pure linux platform with a different packaging format for any linux app to run in? They are doing it with CROS (or whatever the new Chrome on Linux OS is being called) and maybe it's time to do it with Android. Running a VM just seems quite wasteful.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Desktop Linux has nearly no app security. So the VM approach is a malware prevention. Android is the most used OS in the world.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mainly for server applications, not for protecing like your .bashrc, your .ssh or .gnupg folder etc.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

You cam teach it expected behaviour of apps...but for .folders I would say that falls under SELinux, which seems to have a learning curve to it

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

But Google would much rather keep all of the data for themselves. If you could actually control what’s happening in your phone, it could interfere with Google’s main business model.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

let me??? Termux has userland covered.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not everyone wants to live in the terminal. I would argue most people don't.

[–] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are certainly welcome to run a stupid-graphics app that gives similar abilities.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So what games are we talking about in the terminal?

[–] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

I don't know. I quit playing video games.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh cool how do I run VSCode in Termux?

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Install the server, fire it up, open up chrome in Android and point to it?

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Correction: no something's not right it didn't work for me. Looks like it's almost working in nix-on-droid, but something is causing code server to crash.

Yep

Or run an X11 app and connect the GUI, but id argue the web interface is more usable on Android.

[–] gdrhnvfhj@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 month ago

Try to use the npm package instead of the nix package, worked for me

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Yes! On a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard. Should I not want to for some reason?

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

WSL finally has competition... American Sign Language

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Termux: "Look at what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power"

Maybe they could rather fix AOSP. Based on that recent LTT video Google doesn't really give a fuck about it anymore.

I just recently bought 2 phones (one returned, other isn't far from that), one with A14 the other with A13. Changing minimum width to >600dp (to simulate a tablet (larger screen) and trigger tablet mode) has very wild results now. I mean like overlapping icons in notification shade, completely non-functional 3 button navigation, app tray squished to less than width of 1 icon (completely unusable), icons getting off-screen, gesture navigation occasionally not working either, notification shade icons and notifications offset from their background (just a visual problem) and a lot of wasted space everywhere.

Sure, it's in developer settings, but so far whenever I did something to this in up to Android 11 including, the phone just beautifully adjusted to this and everything suddenly made more sense on a large screen.
Though maybe I was just lucky?

I am currently typing this on an old Moto G5s Plus (2017) with the now discontinued PixelExperience (11) ROM. My last bug-free Android experience. I can even route hotspot over a VPN, how cool is that.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wow. I did not expect people to cite LTT on Lemmy. Who cares about this garbage person?

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably people who missed the drama. Not like he really owned up to it on his own channel himself.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One disagreement is enough to make you a "garbage person"? Are you 12?

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

It was a lot more than a single disagreement.

Team members (both former and current) have made some very concerning comments over the years about Linus's private and public behavior, and have repeatedly raised concerns over the breakneck release schedule negatively impacting quality.

Whenever they get information wrong, or make clear mistakes on things that then effect how they review a product, they hide behind the tight release schedule of their videos, which is something entirely under their own control.

Linus himself has shown shockingly poor judgement and communication skills multiple times as he has publicly ran his mouth off and been overall an unprofessional jackass when people have pointed out his mistakes in the past.

They handle redactions and corrections incredibly inconsistently, if at all, and only when there has been significant backlash.

The whole "getting a hand made protoype waterblock for free, failing to do the bare minimum to ensure they installed it properly, blaming their botched install on the maker, choosing not to contact the maker to discuss anything, releasing a scathingly negative review to most likely tank the fledgling startup who sent it to them with install instructions they ignored, being intensely belligerent with everyone telling them they installed the thing wrong, claiming they lost the prototype when the maker requested it back, then selling the prototype as a reward for a charity auction"... that is only the biggest, most publicly called out fuck up recently, in an ever growing history of this sort of bullshit that goes back for years.

Beyond all that, if you have ever watched a single video of his about anything you already know about, it becomes immediately obvious just how much he's and his team are learning the bare minimum about things and then just skating by on production value and speaking as though they have authoritative knowledge.

None of this is inherently damning, except for just how much money his organization makes, and that they project an image of being trustworthy authoritative knowledge sources when they really aren't. Their entire business is based off the concept that they offer trustworthy and reliable information, but they explicitly don't often enough that it is an inescapable problem. When called out on it Linus very publicly loses his shit and blames it on everything but their own failure to do proper research and take enough time to ensure quality control.

This is a marked downward trend in their content and public behavior that has been going on for more than eight years.


Lastly, I never said he was a garbage person. That was the comment I replied to.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Disagreement? What? Piss poor review that completely invalidates itself... Selling someone else's stuff... Not actually owning up to any mistake... What else is he supposed to do to call him garbage?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, fuck that guy

[–] cplusplus@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

A garbage review of a cooler by putting it on the wrong GPU, then keeping the important prototype and then even selling it. Of course he never apologized or anything. It's like with "Internet historian", who turned out to be a pile of shit that only steals from others.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But you may not run them as root!

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm fine with that so long as I eventually get to play PC games on my phone.

[–] AceSLS@ani.social 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll just stick to Termux and proot, thanks

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

They are using a VM I think, and they will have Wayland compatibility and app launcher integration like ChromeOS I assume, while still giving you terminal access to that OS.

So it will be better than Termux + some distro + some VNC viewer.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

Very cool but I hope they give it proper GUI integration, not just a webview or VNC, which is how the alternatives work.

[–] cplusplus@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

we should count chrome os as linux then, linux market share +++