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Humanity has missed its chance of keeping global warming below 1.5C and it will take “heroic efforts” to stay below 2C this century, the scientist leading the global effort to understand climate change has warned.

Jim Skea, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said a failure to sufficiently curb carbon emissions had left the world on track to warm by 3C by 2100. This average masks variations between land and sea, with western Europe and the UK facing even greater warming – perhaps as much as 5C by the end of the century.

“We are potentially headed towards 3C of global warming by 2100, if we carry on with the policies we have at the moment,” said Skea...

The Met Office has tried to project the UK impacts. By 2070, it says, winters will be up to 4.5C warmer but 30pc wetter, meaning more flooding. Summer will be up to 6C warmer, with frequent droughts and surging numbers of heat-related deaths.

Skea said: “It’s very clear climate change is no longer decades in the future. It’s very obvious it’s happening now, so we need to adapt.”

“One of the biggest risks in many regions will come from the combination of heat and humidity.

“It will just be difficult to live and to work outside. In some parts of the world, that will be really a showstopper for some kinds of economic activity.”

Europe faces some of the biggest challenges. Other scientists have predicted Scotland becoming a centre for wineries, that Poland will struggle to grow staple crops such as potatoes and Italy might no longer be able to cultivate durum wheat – used to make pasta.

Skea warned of deserts appearing in southern Europe. He said: “The whole of Europe is vulnerable and especially the Mediterranean. We are already seeing desertification taking place, not only in North Africa, but some of the southern margins of Europe, like Greece, Portugal and Turkey.”

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

Yes but what will this mean for the economy and investors?

This is basically the only response and important question that motivates government and big business (who own governments)

[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, Britain will overheat... for a few years (just long enough to spend billions of £ installing air conditioners) until the AMOC collapses, after which it will be swiftly plunged into a localized ice age.

(Just to be clear, lest anybody accuse me of some kind of denialism: the reason for the AMOC collapse is due to global warming melting Greenland's ice sheet, and the global effect will continue to be an increase in temperature. It's only northwest Europe that's going to freeze.)

[–] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How cold is it supposed to get? They're installing heat pumps, not ACs so while the current generation of heat pumps will struggle with the ice age, cold weather performance keeps improving.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

How cold is it supposed to get?

The sources I've read estimate a drop of 3-3.5 °C. For comparison, the Little Ice Age had a global average temperature drop of only a little over 0.5 °C, although to be fair, it varied in different parts of the world and I haven't been able to find a reference for how much the drop was in the UK, specifically. Still, my guess is that it's more than enough for Frost Fairs on the Thames to become a thing again. Oh yeah: and also completely fuck up all the UK's agriculture, BTW.

They’re installing heat pumps, not ACs so while the current generation of heat pumps will struggle with the ice age, cold weather performance keeps improving.

Yeah, that's definitely not just more prudent in this situation, but also just a better idea all around anyway.

Also, I think technology has already progressed enough that it's the previous generation of heat pumps that would struggle, not the current gen.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate the "too late" discourse. Best time to curb emissions is the past, next best time is now. The fastest we act, the better off we’ll be.

I have this nagging feeling that this posture is just preparing public opinion for geoengineering, the last grift before collapse. Maybe its cause as well. Oh and fatalism is going to help undermine current decarbonizing efforts too, so win-win for big money.

[–] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

This. We also have to find a way to actively reverse the damage.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

I cant believe people were warning about insignificant things like extremely hot summers, no snow and more natural disasters, but not about the real threat of global warming: no more pasta in Italy

[–] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

Well... Fuck

[–] anonymous111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is a bit different from the IPCC forecasts.

Is there an updated, well regarded, set of regional climate predictions?