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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 135 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Facebook comments: Well obviously it was taken in the SUMMER πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜† Morons global warming is all fear mongering!

Yes Jim. It's very normal that entire glaciers disappear, regularly in fact, every year. You are so smart, much smarter than all of the scientists who are panicking.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ummm…. There’s people right here on lemmy saying the same dumb shit about summer. Don’t think for a second that lemmy doesn’t host some of the exact same idiots Facebook does.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good news is that many instances on Lemmy are less tolerant to alt-right trolls and climate deniers. Best to use that report function so your admins, or even better, their admins, can snipe them.

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The only issue that really matters to me is climate change. Or maybe plastic.

But this is the same as the picture of the statue of liberty that is used to "debunk" sea level rise by showing the level at the same height, despite being taken 100 years apart. Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?

This is a "shoe is on the other foot" moment, and we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it. Maybe especially so because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 92 points 1 month ago (1 children)

crazy to think that guy has been on that boat for over 100 years

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

He clearly switched boats.

Boat of Theseus

[–] borgertwo@ani.social 7 points 1 month ago

Nah, he just slowly upgraded and remodel on the spot. The guy never moved from that spot. πŸ€₯

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[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 81 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow, it looks so much prettier today. All thanks to climate improvement.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

Thanks, emissionschads!

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 71 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank goodness they cleared out all that snow and ice so that we can finally see the pretty mountains.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should put some factories there!

[–] PixeIOrange@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

This might be silly but we could replace the ice with trash?

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

We might have to workshop this, but I feel like there's a good idea in there somewhere

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[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At least we got some space to build car centric suburbia, eh? /s

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

More room to pollute! πŸ₯³πŸ₯³πŸ₯³

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Maybe there's oil under there!

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[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

A reverse image search revealed to me that there are a hell of a lot of copies of this image around the internet, but I can't seem to find any papers that provide background. I'm going to have to look again later, but if there's any other internet sleuths out there interested in figuring out the origins of these photos with reputable explainers, I would love to know more about this.

I'm always afraid of things like this that seem to confirm my biases without associated information to back it...

[–] philz@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I just did reverse image search and found this article from 2002

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

The Guardian article nailed it, thanks!

It doesn't cite exactly where they got the Greenpeace photo from, but I found it here: https://media.greenpeace.org/archive/Climate-Impact-Documentation-in-Norway--Svalbard-27MZIF4WNED.html

Climate Impact Documentation in Norway, Svalbard Greenpeace documentation showing that glacier "Blomstrandbreen" has retreated nearly 2 km since 1928, with an accelerated rate of 35 metres lost per year since 1960 and even higher in the past decade. In the image, view of climate campaigner Truls Gulowsen on a speed boat going to a mine in Longyearbyen.Β 

Unique identifier: GP0STSCL6Β  Shoot date: 03/08/2002Β  Locations: Norway, Scandinavia, Svalbard Credit line: Β© Greenpeace / Christian Γ…slundΒ 

A bit more from the Guardian article:

Greenpeace activists visited the glacier last weekend on the Rainbow Warrior taking pictures from the same locations to highlight the effects of global warming, which the group says is a threat to the future of the planet.

The Blomstrandbreen glacier has retreated by one and a quarter miles since 1928, according to Greenpeace. It was shrinking by 115ft a year in the 1960s, a rate which has risen.

Recent studies carried out by US researchers and reported in Science last month said that 85% of the glaciers they examined had lost vast portions of their mass in the last 40 years.

Keith Echelmayer of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks, who has carried out research into Alaska's ice streams and checked glacier thickness, said: "Most glaciers have thinned several hundred feet at low elevation in the last 40 years and about 60 feet at higher elevations."

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a couple similar photos from 2022 posted to Reddit by the same photographer (meaning the same person posted these two, not that it's necessarily the same person who posted the one above):

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

yeah but it's much more colorful now. that's good, isn't it?

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[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That…. Is fucking tragic. There’s no going back to that. Ever.

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Don't worry, the ice will come back, we just won't be around to see it.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh it will be back. We won't be. But the planet always bounces back.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

people 107 years ago loved sepia filters.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good luck, everyone. I genuinely hope you make it through as okay as you can.

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[–] CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I myself asked "What time of year was the lower photograph taken?" Then I realized I was being dumb, because if either photo was taken in winter time, we would see at least some ice in the water, if not a very large ice sheet.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

That, and it'd be dark. You'd need to pack one hell of a flash.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well that's fuckin depressing

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mother Nature: Dont worry humans, everything will be fine, life will go on. Your fucking this up for your self, and you wont be missed

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure it was at the same time? Did the account for leap seconds?

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[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 12 points 1 month ago

Revenge of the Titanic.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

New real estate!

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Notice the first guy is in a wooden boat and the second guy is in a boat most likely made out of some plastic-based fibers. πŸ€”

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The plastic isn't really a huge driver of climate change, the problems it causes are different.

For the climate change comparison, notice that the old boat has oars, but the new boat has a gas engine

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