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“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 180 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (103 children)

i'm glad the "you're pro-genocide if you vote anything but 3rd party" morons finally shut the fuck up around here

edit: LOL

have you had ANYONE turn around and say " you know what, you're right!" on lemmy? or ANYWHERE?

gtfo russian cumfarts

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 119 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (36 children)

Probably doesn't help that Stein refuses to call Putin a war criminal.

https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-vladimir-putin-war-criminal-1954965

"Hasan later asked Stein why she had labeled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal, but not Putin.

"Well, as John F. Kennedy said, we must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate," she replied. "So, if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name-calling and hurling epithets."

"So, how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then if you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?" Hasan asked in response.

"Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal," Stein said, prompting Hasan to ask: "So Putin clearly isn't a war criminal?"

"Well, we don't have a decision—put it this way—by the International Criminal Court," Stein said.

The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin, alleging that he is responsible for war crimes. No such warrant has been issued for Netanyahu, whose war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians. However, the chief prosecutor of the ICC has applied for an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister.

"There's an arrest warrant for Putin and there isn't an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, so why is Putin not a war criminal, but Netanyahu is?" Hasan asked.

"Yeah. Well, let me say this. We are sponsoring that war. We are sponsoring Netanyahu," Stein responded. "He is our dog in this fight. That is why we have a responsibility to pull him back.""

[–] neatchee@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Fwiw after that whole thing made news she released a press statement that did call him a war criminal

EDIT: citation - https://www.jillstein2024.com/war_criminals_and_diplomacy

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Hey, Vladimir? I need to actually call you a war criminal now, yeah, I almost got found out. Thanks! I knew you'd understand!"

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And anyone paying attention realizes she only put out the statement after she got called on it and had time to think about what it meant that she was actively avoiding doing so. This is 100% optics and nothing more.

Her statement is about as believable as a kid with crumbs on their face saying they didn't eat all the cookies....

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[–] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Way too little, way too late. Medhi cut her up so surgically I don't even know if she's gonna have the stones to resurface four years from now. Hopefully being a Russian asset pays well, Shill is done

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ahahaha oh no the "office workers" are still all over here, their content usually just gets downvoted into being permanently hidden and they've stopped picking fights outside of their own posts.

[–] neatchee@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Don't forget there was also a bunch of government-backed troll farms shut down recently

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those MAGAs cosplaying as lefties will have an even harder time now that the Uncommitted group have said they cannot support Harris but Donald will be worse. The same as we have all be saying.

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 113 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Jill is here to collect some donations then disappear for 4 years. Again.

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[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago (15 children)

There’s photos of Shill Stein dining with Putin. How much more evidence do you need?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

She wasn't even the worst at the table, that "honor" goes to convicted felon Mike Flynn:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Flynn

More on Flynn and his connecting Trump to Russia here:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

p.s. Trump's "National Security Advisor".

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Oh oh but if I mention it to certain folk, that's "old news" and "why do you only ever bring that image up" and "lol libs sure are grasping at straws"

Fascism and political interference does not have an expiration date.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Worth bringing the image up because it's from 2015... 6 months after she announced she was running.

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Lest anyone try to claim Stein isn’t running purely as a spoiler candidate.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 2 months ago (46 children)

Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, said via email that “the Democratic Party has no respect for actual democracy or the voting public,” calling the attack a “tired and sad commentary on a party that refuses to serve the American people with good public policy.”

Yes, this is true.

“We’re seeing a desperate empire now. We are seeing a desperate colonialist settler empire whose ways of the world and whose control over the world has been lost,” Stein said as she inveighed against U.S. healthcare, housing, and military policy.

This is also true. But she has no shot at winning and is literally only capable of helping the orange bad. We need rank-choice voting. Until we get that, she should shut up and drop out. Especially with the threat of the orange bad.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Narrator: the DNC is correct.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Forget debates. I would pay good money to see an episode of Jeopardy with Harris, Stein, and Trump.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The categories could be content from a high school civics class.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"This person won the popular vote for President in 2016."

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The people who vote for her seem like the useful idiots to me, she herself more seems like a traitor to the old values of her country and the purported causes of her party. She loves foreign autocrat dictatorships and there's nothing green about helping republicans win elections.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Jill has ruined a lot of credibility.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Universalmonk bouta flip a table.

[–] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I doubt anyone dumb enough to vote for Stein are Harris voters anyway. So now than likely a vote for Stein will be one taken for Trump. So Trump and Putin can waste all the money they want on her campaign.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They're probably trying to scoop up the Republican voters that are disillusioned with Trump and prevent them from going to Harris. It's actually a decent strategy in that light.

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