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I had no idea this issue had been identified. While I find this tool very useful, the project is seeming rather questionable to me now.

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 9 points 1 day ago

I like multiboot. Used it back when I used Windows.
The Ventoy advertisements on Reddit looked too suspicious, so I never checked it out.

[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago

Makes me wonder how far the closest alternative, glim, could be upgraded to match Ventoy given the confines of GRUB.

Someone had mentioned that Fedora fails to verify when booting from Ventoy. Now I'm thinking if I could dd the media loaded via Ventoy and compare with an original copy to see what changed.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (3 children)

God I hate people who use github comments for their own benefit. "Just fork it bro" is never helpful.

[–] sem@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

For me the problem is more in GPL violation: they distribute blobs under GPL3, user made a request of the source code by creating an issue, but they ignored that request. It is not only about "you have to fix it" versus "just fork it" imo.

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[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree that comments like that are unhelpful/unnecessary, but how is that "for their own benefit"? Other than the actual devs themselves using that as a way to just ignore issues, I do not follow

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

It makes them feel good and devalues the quality of discussion. Benefits them, harms others.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

Time for a fork, then?

[–] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Thank you for sharing this. I remember using Ventoy quite often back when I was still on Windows. I'll be sticking with the good old dd command.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Any alternatives to this tool? I've used it a lot lately because I was testing out live OSes before installing one to the hard drive, but otherwise I don't need it on a daily basis.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

but otherwise I don’t need it on a daily basis.

I'll be real, this is part of why I didn't understand Ventoy. I keep a bunch of large, fast thumbdrives around blank and available. When I need/want to put an OS on there, I do it when I need it, and then I'm always installing the most current version of the install. It takes under 5 minutes, at best.

I used to try to keep various installs on thumbdrives... but it would be two years down the line by the time I needed to use it again and by that time it's literally pointless to be using two year old installation media.

[–] CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

Part of the point behind Ventoy is that you don't need to prepare the USB to be bootable. You can just copy/paste the whole iso into Ventoy and it will be bootable. New release comes out? Just copy it onto your USB drive. Don't even need to remove the old version of you don't want to.

Makes things much easier in the tech world for having a single USB with 50+ bootable tools and installers on there like with MediCat (which uses Ventoy as a base).

Only thing I've had issues with booting from Ventoy is the ProxMox install iso. Everything else has worked first try.

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Need to compare hashes between a stock ISO and one ~~flashed~~ booted by Ventoy (dd the latter to a file and check)

[–] pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wat? Ventoy doesn't flash isos, it boots from them

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[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've had too many issues with Ventoy that I'd rather just use fedora media writer or balenaetcher for when that doesn't work. I mean honestly it's a bit gimmicky, even if it's a cool concept. I believe Glim and some other options exist too

[–] turtle@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Ugh, balenaetcher messed with my USB pen drive so that I had to jump through hoops to make it usable again. Based on web searches, this was not uncommon at that time. I haven't had issues with ventoy so far. However, maybe I'll just go back to Rufus.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All my laziness about not checking it out has come to fruition. Now I simply don't have to, because this is sketch as fuck until it is handled.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I never trusted it because I thought it was completely proprietary. Well now I know it basically is.

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[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This is a bit absurd. I really don't think this is as serious as some comments say. Also there is a comment from AUR package manager which explains more details. . And even the blobs in the first post there are source and build instructions in their respective folder.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago

That linked reply doesn't explain anything. It just says "bro trust him". Just because you and the AUR maintainer says its trustful, does not make it clear whats behind the binary blobs. It doesn't matter what anyone says, if we can't verify. In my opinion, its absurd calling others absurd for not trusting the word of others.

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