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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 219 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Aaand … it’s ads. What a surprise.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Article says (but don't believe them):

But it’s not all ads. In fact, Microsoft does make useful changes from time to time

[–] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh boy! Not all ads! Oh yippee! I have been blessed on this fine day! 🥰

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[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 66 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why do these articles never have a screenshot of the change. So annoying.

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

Because if they embed an image to the article, it would distract you from all the ads that are between paragraphs.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 79 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (38 children)

There's always some post in here saying for people to use Linux. I find an admonishment to be pretty hollow, so I'll share my recent experience installing a Linux distribution rather than simply saying it's something people should do.

I installed one of the many Debian variants. Getting the installation media is certainly going to be a challenge for casual users. Otherwise, it was easy. It walked through the steps. It was different from installing windows, but I felt it was no more difficult. I am well versed in this stuff, but I feel like nothing in the installation process would be a problem for a casual computer user.

It offered several desktops programs at the login screen. This could likely throw off a lot of people. However, if you just logged in and ignored that you might never even know there were different options. The default was KDE. Everything worked. Nothing needed to be tweaked. This is in starck contrast to Windows, where once you get past installation, you need to get rid of a ton of crap it throws at you. The Windows 10 start menu is an unbelievable collection of weird boxes and shit and the task bar is similarly full of junk. The KDE start menu is just a menu. The task bar has your tasks. There's nothing to do.

I did try Cinnamon too. I prefer the simplicity. I don't think casual users are going to care.

Overall, I think for casual users, it's actually easier to set up and use than Windows. Getting installation media prepared is not something most people are going to readily do, but I think it's the same with Windows. They have the advantage there of having manufacturors install it. Otherwise, whatever issues there have been installing Linux distributions in the past aren't there now. Conversely, installing and especially the configuration after installation is much harder on Windows than it used to be. If you're slightly tech savvy, give Linux a try.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Chiming in to add that the KDE application menu icon (aka the Start Button) is easily changed to whatever picture you want. Mine is currently the TARDIS control console from Doctor Who which is quite fun.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago

I installed mint recently and I kept the windows partition because I thought I would need to dual boot a lot but I haven't launched windows in the past couple of months

I have a laser HP all-in-onr that I thought I'd have issues with but it worked automatically with the printing and scanner app, not even in windows it works so strangely

My only issue right now were self inflicting, because I created a shared NTFS partition to keep media a torrents and it sometimes give privilege errors after a bit update (it wouldn't happen if it was ext3 from what I've been reading)

My wife needs to use the computer occasionally and I think she had more issues with windows 11 than mint, the only "issue" was that she was trying to find Microsoft word instead of openoffice

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Yeah, I really should switch to Mint or something

[–] dirtbiker509@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

I switched to Kubuntu (KDE Plasma with Wayland turned on) and it's absolutely wonderful.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Mint with Cinnamon is great if you like the start menu style of Windows 7/10. Generally speaking Linux distros are mostly the same under the hood.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm attempting to normalize calling it CinnaMint. I get a few up votes Everytime I mention it, but I haven't seen anyone else use it yet.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

It does sound pretty marketable. Hope it gains traction.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago

Switch to Linux, get it over with, get rid of the Microsoft bullshit

[–] lud@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Screenshots here: https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/09/12/windows-10s-start-menu-design-is-changing-to-make-room-for-microsoft-365/

TL:DR: There is barely any difference at all. They added some account manager, but in general the start menu looks how it looked before.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

Apparently it nags you if you don't have a 365 account. So it's just more enshittification.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago

Yeah, fuck MS and everyone should try to run away as fast as possible, but this isn't the big thing people should be worried about. I literally didn't notice what was different in those screenshots until I read more. Maybe this is done to add things in the future that'll be bad, but it itself isn't. I'd be much more concerned about Recall.

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Disabled Windows Update and have never been happier.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At that point please just use another OS. You should be keeping your OS up to date.

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Number of times I've been hacked: 0

Number of hours I've wasted reinstalling everything because Microsoft bricked my Windows install with a faulty update: 6.022140857×10^23^

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Again, why use Windows at that point?

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I don't have the level of schizophrenia required for the GIMP ui to make sense.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah, we live in wild times. Remember when the largest computer outage was caused by that software attack?

Oh wait that was the program meant to protect from attacks.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Upvote for Avagadros number

[–] NoisyFlake@lemm.ee 46 points 5 days ago (15 children)

I'm running Windows 10 LTSC with a custom start menu (StartIsBack). So far I have avoided all of Microsoft’s nonsense.

As long as I’m not ready to switch to Linux 100%, this is probably the best possible solution.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I went 10 years ago to Linux. To avoid all Windows non sense..

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Many people want that, but can't bc of their jobs.:-(

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Well.. at least at home you can run Linux. That's a start. And otherwise try to switch or create your own business. It seems the latter is the only option to fully get rid of Windows, since soon companies will move to Windows 11 with Windows Recall and other AI bs. No thanks, I'm out.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Any company worth anything will keep recall disabled. Obviously, with Microsoft, it will get "accidentally" activated in an update, so admins will have to play whack a mole, but nobody should enable that malware when it's released.

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[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Got to get that ad revenue.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The new shortcut for screenshots:

Alt - Ctrl - drill to the eye 👁️. Yeah you can use the same eye socket multiple times for now. It's a known 🐛 bug, but they are going to fix it.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft 365 is fucking garbage. I tried using it one time on my work computer and couldn't even export an Excel sheet into any other format besides a PDF and an Excel file. The only two things I never need to export an Excel sheet as. I couldn't even export it as a god damn text file. And the fact that I need an Internet connection makes it so much more finicky. I guess on the plus side when the Internet is down I don't have to do my job until it comes back.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Were you on a free plan? Because csv export normally works fine.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

There's a way to revert it in w11?

At work i need to constantly switch users and even if it's a domain account, the placeholder for the m365 ads is still there. I need a extra click every time i need to logout

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