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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think so. I would describe the current geopolitical situation as the reverse of the Cold War where the capitalist bloc led by the US was the bigger economic bloc. Today, China is by far the biggest economy in tangible terms of material production. The BRICS economic bloc led by China is growing while the G7 bloc is shrinking. While BRICS isn't made up solely of socialist economies, it is not hostile towards socialist nations which allows them to develop peacefully.

I expect that we'll see a 2008 style financial crisis in the west within the next few years, and I don't expect that the west will be able to climb out of the crisis the same way as in 2008. One of the biggest stabilizing factors back then was China bailing out the US, that obviously won't happen this time around. The crash will further discredit the western system, and China will emerge as a model of a well functioning economic system that will be emulated going forward.

[–] Hazel@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This gives me some hope lol

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm cautiously optimistic :)

[–] Hazel@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

cautiously optimistic

I really do like this phrase :3

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The collapse of american hegemony us already progress towards a socialist world happening right now. The rise of chinese power also helps.

However, it is almost certain at this point that we are headed towards WW3 (imo we have alreadt started the pre-war phase). How that will end up going is anyone's guess.

[–] Hazel@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't want to live during a world war 🥺

Because... war never changes.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Silly Hazel, war does change! We used to have wars where thousands of people died, then, we got wars where millions die, now we have wars where tens of millions can die!

It's called progress.

[–] Hazel@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Ahhhh hehe I'm silly :3

Well, fallout was wrong, war does change.. But thats not a good thing 🥺 Imagine there is war, but everybody would stay home.

Like I am willing to die, if it happens it happens, but like... Watching my comrades die?
I know that is reality for sooo many people, but this doesn't make it better, but worse.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If not the world war then climate catastrophe. Honestly I don't really have any expectations that human civilization will look anything remotely like is does now in a few more decades.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

few more decades.

The world has already changed so much since just covid. If you'd told me in 2019 that we would have a global pandemic, multiple major wars at once, America losing to half of Yemen, the liberal world order in free fall, and China running circles around the west in their green tech all in a span of 4 years, I would have thought you were making things up.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

yes.
it won't come from any existing socialist state tho, it will come from the contradictions that are emerging in the global order.

i say this because there has been only one time in which an existing socialist state brought about socialism in another country and it was WWII. the rest have been internal.

here are some videos you can watch which take a materialist analysis of the current situation in the context of past wars and revolutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWrgN33ZOQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiqxGdY5_V4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1RRw6kDNWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C319X8x90mc

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[–] SweetLava@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

we are constantly moving closer and further away from socialism, at least since the French Revolution (which we didn't get to see the full results and aftermath of until the Scramble for Africa and World War I, and the later post-WWII neocolonialism).

the conditions are already present, too, from Kenya and Swaziland, to Cuba and Mexico, to Palestine and Syria. I can't name any continent sans Antarctica that has failed to produce some resemblence of progression towards socialism, and i'd even say it has happened within every state on earth by this point.

it is both fortunate and unfortunate that it is an international phenomenon. success in one country could be disasterous failure in another and, ultimately, it is our responsibility to elevate class consciousness and oppose our national bourgeois classes. but a social-democratic reform somewhere means a nationalism somewhere else, one progressive and the other reactionary in no particular order.

we had progress toward socialism this week, reaction against it today; last week was reverse. and so on and so forth.

you could've asked this question regarding 60 months, 60 years, 60 decades, 60 centuries - my answer would've been the same.

like the Russian Revolution completed the French, I see another revolution completing the Chinese, from the oppressed people of America and the oppressed people of Africa

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

I can't name any continent sans Antarctica that has failed to produce some resemblence of progression towards socialism

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A conversation with an actual higher up in the American DoD that I know in my personal life has succinctly stated that the US is in a bind that really doesn’t seem capable of overcoming. The power of the US is the dominance of the US dollar, which allows the US to buy actual goods and services with pieces of paper that is printed out of thin air.

When the American Empire overstretched itself trying unsuccessfully to crush Korea and Vietnam, the gold standard became impossible to maintain. Then it decided it could just maintain the petrodollar… but that would mean that Israel, Saudi Arabia and to a lesser degree the other bribed petrostates have to stay in the US’s power bubble. Western Asia/North Africa (commonly known as “The Middle East”) needs to stay poor, crushed and divided to keep oil prices cheap and sold exclusively in US dollars.

What is happening is that Israel and Saudi Arabia were fine allies for the American Empire when the US was strong but as its power is waning, its becoming increasingly impossible to keep Israel and Saudi Arabia content with just being an American pawn knowing that the US needs them so desperately. The truth is that it’s inevitable that Israel, that is openly a belligerent fascist state is going to drag the US into a WW3 scenario, because they know that if their neighbors aren’t annihilated they will inevitably go the way of Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa… there were some voices in those nations who also advocated for broad African genocide but they lacked the hard and soft power to do it.

Israel is a Western cultured and loyal ally of the US willing to do whatever Uncle Sam needs in the region, now other than peace, in the MOST important region for American power. The US’s back is against the wall and CANNOT abandon Israel no matter how much world and domestic upheaval is against them.

Israel will spell the end of American power.

Edit: Which is why neither Kamala nor Donald can promise anything on Israel, the CIA would rather kill them… if Empire was Chess and the US is the King… Israel is the Queen. They’re basically early USA.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

in 60 years the world will be unrecognizable. We could very well be extinct, or close to it. But if we do survive it will be under socialism.