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I just got this popup while playing New vegas. I don't even use chrome, i've switched to firefox. How can this be allowed? Also, this is Win10

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 154 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If governments actually gave a fuck about antitrust anymore, it would be. 20-ish years ago, they dragged Microsoft to court over simply bundling IE with Windows. It didn't even constantly nag you to set as default; just the fact that it was bundled at all was enough to make it into the sights of regulators.

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 100 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Microsoft clearly uses dark patterns and FUD to lure you into using Bing.

As long as they're using legal loopholes (or downright do not care because they have enough money to pay any fines) you cannot do anything against it except not using their OS.

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I stopped using outlook entirely for this behaviour. Outlook would embed a bing search in your long press menu on android.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What kind of long press menu? I have it installed but don't have any such menu.

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[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's getting REALLY difficult to tell normal operation and viruses apart.

[–] ______@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you're confusing virus and malware. Windows is malware by definition. I think according to gnu philosophy any proprietary software is malware because features are designed to make profits and not to service the end user.

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[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Because in all practical senses, windows is a virus.

Viruses at their core are programs which do things against your will on your own machine. Which is bad.

However, that is exactly what windows does. But like the boiling frog, people for some reason are okay with more bullshit from Microsoft and less control of their own devices with every passing update and year.

Complaining on ~~reddit~~ social media does nothing. Switching to Linux gives you back control and will be better for everyone in the long run.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would this be illegal?

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 133 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Anti consumer and anti competitive. Using their position as the OS to bug the living shit out of you to use their services

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

According to Rules of the Internet § 12 "if I find something to be annoying, objectionable, or wrong it surely must be illegal."

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

MS literally got in trouble for bundling IE with the OS 20 years ago... This is so much worse.

If you cannot understand why people are rightfully upset... LEARN YOUR FUCKING HISTORY.

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[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of the many reasons why I will never return to Windows.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I still have to use 10 for work, but on the plus side it's a 5 day per week reminder of just how terrible it is.

[–] _Z1useri@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

In the same boat. and recently of all the issues that could pop up, Teams has decided to become a buggy mess. Their own software on their own OS just stops working after just one year of using the machine.

Not to speak of all the other slowdowns and child-diseases that the thing has developed.

Meanwhile my desktop install of Linux is nearing its 10th birthday, has all sorts of legacy configs that I never bothered to clean up, has moved drives 3 times and to a different filesystem+partitioning scheme, changed bootloader... Yet still is way less of a pain than Windows at work.

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[–] DerpyPlayz18@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I still don't get how Microsoft got in trouble for bundling internet explorer but now they are completely fine doing this

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Anti-trust regulation has gotten very toothless in recent years. The shit many corporations are pulling now is insane when you think back about what happened to ms then.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What company was it that lost an antitrust lawsuit again? It was something like Macrosoft? Microphone? idr

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[–] BluesF 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's shit like this that will eventually drive me away from windows. I was baffled when it appeared.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

As someone who was recently driven, leave it. It’s never going to get better, only worse. And linux is only going to get better the more you understand it.

[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

will eventually

no time like the present, eh ;)

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[–] Armetron@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is because you agreed to to the terms and conditions of the Windows operating system

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

They got in trouble for setting internet explorer as the default and had to pop a prompt when you installed windows a while ago.

I don't think asking if you want to is illegal though. But it could be as they are using their ownership of the operating system to push you towards their other products.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

“I will make it legal.”

-Darth CEOus

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Why wouldn't it be legal? You are using their product and they put out a notification on it asking if you want to use one of their products. Why would that be illegal!?

Like I understand people not liking it, but illegal?

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[–] nostradiel@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Run a debloat script for windows from christitustech. And if you want to start from fresh install w10/11 ltsb/ltsc and run the debloat script, that is the safest option, if you don't want to swap to Linux.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 18 points 1 year ago

It's only illegal if it's enforced

[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything is legal in the US if you can lobby enough

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Not quite. You can also break the law, pay a fraction of what you grifted, say sorry and then continue.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (18 children)

They lost a trial in this allnd paid a flick on the wrist.

They just so this because they know it will get them more than it will cost.

Install Linux, make the switch. Yes you can.

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[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

In Europe it isn't. But I got it too. Even worse, my default browser was changed to Bing after an update.

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[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Microsoft rewards points" wtf?

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[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The people at Microsoft who remember the ftc action have retired I guess

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

This shit is why I stopped using windows altogether

[–] anlumo@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since the antitrust laws don’t exist any more, it’s legal, yes. If you don’t want that, you have to switch to Linux.

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Lets just rename this community to MicrosoftTechSupport and be done with it.

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