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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago (17 children)

As a 40 year old voter I can say things have changed. Gay people can get married. They couldn’t when I was younger. I was about to lose my healthcare at work during Bush but it hasn’t been a concern since.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Gay people can get married because queer people agitated for that right for decades, and they finally got influential enough that they could not be ignored. It had nothing to do with who was in power. It wasn't because they voooted. The people who were in power were against gay marriage until the conditions demanded that they weren't.
Had the people in power not pivoted then agitation would have escalated until someone else got into power and pivoted.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

no one voted on approving gay marriage; it became legal because of decision from the the supreme court that invalidated doma.

the closes thing that makes your statement true is the respect for marriage act; which came 8 years after doma was invalidated and whose only real power is to give anti-gay bigots legal protections, since the supreme court already decided against anti-gay marriage laws.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

My statement is that gay marriage, like all civil rights, was not won by voting, but because of agitation from a large group of people. The fact that it got instuted thru the supreme court furthers this argument, it does not lessen it.

[–] muslimmarxist@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As a 40 year old voter I can say things have changed.

Why are there so many lemmy dorkfucks in here? wtf...

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[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Dear libs: How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to stop voting blue?

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Voting while living in third world country is literally a waste of paper.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Idk we managed to get a center-left third party into power, something I don’t think will ever happen in the US

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[–] itsraining@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

The problem is not voting itself. It is the bourgeois "democracy" framework it is often implemented in, which provides safeguards against change.

[–] kevlar21@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (15 children)

Here’s the thing. You can do both (vote and protest or revolt, etc.). Maybe voting won’t do anything but not voting definitely won’t.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

A no-vote is a vote of no confidence in the system. I'll continue to vote in every presidential election, and it would be better if non-voters would instead vote for a third party like Green, PSL, or even whatever Cornell West is doing now. But i no longer blame anyone for not voting.

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[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The problem is not voting. Is believing voting is the only thing to do to enforce democracy and civil rights.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

The problem is not voting. Is believing voting is the only thing to do to enforce democracy and civil rights.

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't get the point. So instead of voting, we should hope for some lovely dictator that takes power and hope everyone in country loves that person? What′s the alternative? Just because change of government doesn't magically fix all the problems does not mean you should not vote.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Go ahead and vote but don't think it solves large-scale problems in America where every legislator is bought and paid for

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

I read this in a Dutch accent

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