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SOLUTION FOUND - thank you

There is a community called Tarot on lemmy.world, and I want to subscribe to it. The url is https://lemmy.world/c/tarot. I've been to lemmy.world when not logged in and I can see it there. But when I try to find it from here, I can't. I tried putting !tarot@lemmy.world in the search and got "no results found". I've been told that "someone needs to search for it, for it to appear", but I have already tried to search for it, many times. What else needs to happen for me to be able to see and subscribe to this community?

Or do I just have to make a second account on lemmy.world?

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its because no one has yet subbed to that community from your instance, as a result it may take some time for the information to come over. I find sometimes searching for a post in the sub helps but it can take multiple tries and a wait before it works.

Once you get there, sub and with in a day youll start getting updates from that community on your instance.

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How far back will posts and comments appear? I've had issues where I'm getting like 10% of the votes, comments and posts from communities on other instances.

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if the server has not synced it before then it starts at the time of the first sync. there is no concept of syncing archives in this protocol though the API does support it IIRC

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you link to or describe the API support for this behavior?

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this is the process i have observed with setting up my own instance along with helping a number of people with theirs having the same issue in the matrix channel.

the api has a call called get_posts you would need to call it on the instance the community is on. I don't think anyone has a proper archive sync tool and if one arrived i suspect some discussion around how it could hammer an instance.

[–] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes - that works but it says I am not logged in. This is why I wonder if I need to make another account on lemmy.world

[–] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean putting "https://lemmy.world/c/tarot" into the search input in https://sh.itjust.works/search and do the search. I know it is a bit counterintuitive but this is how the UI works at the moment. It will likely take a while to show up. Just be patient.

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

oh! that worked. Thank you!

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 5 points 1 year ago

search on the above on your instance, not just visit the URL

[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you might have to search for the plain url (https://lemmy.world/c/tarot) in order for it to show up in the search. Make sure search type is set to "All" as well.

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yes I've done that and I can see it there but I can't subscribe that way because I am not logged in on lemmy.world, I'm logged in here instead.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 1 points 1 year ago
[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It looks like you've successfully gotten it to appear, I can search "tarot" on the Jeroba app and it comes up. Try that if you're using Jeroba, if you're just using the mobile sh.itjust.works site you do need to select "All" before searching, and it's showing up for me.

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I'm using the desktop version on a PC, not got as far as trying a mobile app yet.

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought I'd leave a link to some discussion of these issues on the github. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3105

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

It seems like there are a few different issues:

  • There is no way to discover communities for the first time for a particular instance without leaving your instance webpage
  • Viewing a previously unfederated, or recently federated server is missleading, since votes and comments are missing, and so posts are not sorted, and also often missing since they were posted pre-federation.
  • Even on a federated instance, there is no interface to view all the communities present on that instance.(especially ones older than the date of federation) without leaving your home instance (appearing to be logged out)

All these issues put together makes for a clunky discovery process, and separates the ability to interact with a community from the act of viewing it for the first time. (You have to leave your instance to view it in it's entirety, but since you're no longer logged in, you can no longer interact with these posts unless you copy and search for every individual post AND each comment that you want to interact with from your home instance)

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Up at the top of the page, click Communities. Where it says List Of Communities, click All Type "tarot" in the search bar.

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

That just comes up with "No results"

[–] 8ohighdef@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

also having trouble but only with https://lemmy.ml/c/usmlr can't open it in sh.itjustworks to subscribe :(

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] 8ohighdef@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thank you it is working now

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

You're welcome. Since no one else here had subscribed there yet I had to manually search the whole URL in this instance's community search. Once that's done the first time other users here can find it just by searching the community name.

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