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[–] __v@infosec.pub 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

RTX On/Off feels really dishonest here given the assets swap as well.

[–] pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's just part of RTX remix and somewhat the point of that tool. After all you need to get proper RTX materials in there and why not upres the assets as well while you are at it?

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then id like to see the same better assets with rtx and without. Those alone would make an incredible difference.

[–] pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure how easy that is with RTX Remix. IIRC the assets aren't actually added to the game itself, but rather they get injected into the render-pipeline.

[–] beefcat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You have to use new assets for these old games if you really want to make the most out of ray tracing because PBR materials are necessary to better simulate the way light and reflections bounce off a surface.

[–] SeismicNote@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So we'll get another old game where everything looks oddly shiny instead of oddly dull?

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s not what ray tracing is about at all. Reflections, imo, are the least interesting part of ray tracing.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

shame most people who implement it don't agree

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I partially disagree, GI is easy to do most of the time with baked lighting, but reflections (especially more diffuse reflections) are hard unless you have very simple environments or tons of gpu resources to spend on rendering alternate camera angles. Even the more modern rasterized reflection techniques such as parallax corrected cubemaps or screen space reflections break easily if you look at them wrong. Raytraced global illumination and soft shadows are still great though, but are more easy to get around with regular rendering in most games where the environments are very static.

[–] timconspicuous@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I might be in the minority here, but I couldn't help but think Half-Life 2 still looks really good for a game released in 2004. Obviously "RTX on" is nicer to look at, but all the small details like the magnifying glass that actually magnifies made me appreciate the old assets/graphics so much, what a milestone it was.

[–] Rossel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The art direction is impeccable and it still shines for it.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two thirds of graphics is art direction, the other third is tech. Source: a rule I just made up

[–] Rossel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

And those 2/3s shine through, the last big engine update for HL2 was in 2007. It still looks great.

[–] Rossel@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

To be honest, the biggest takeaway of the trailer is how well the original HL2 aged.

[–] Its_Always_420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wish they'd do Hal-Life 1 with ray tracing because my video card might actually be able to run that one.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Quake 2 RTX can bring my 3090 to its knees. You could do HL2 but I bet it’d be about similar to Portal 2.

[–] Jmr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I believe its because the RTX remix games are path traced which is alot harder to do

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[–] simple@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There is Black Mesa if you're looking for a Half Life 1 remake. Not sure if there is raytracing in it though.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Black Mesa was so fucking good it's ridiculous.

[–] Its_Always_420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If it did have it, it'd almost certainly be too much for my RTX 3060. Portal RTX didn't work too well.

[–] NeroRecursive@jlai.lu 6 points 1 year ago

Don’t worry, even with a beefy config it doesn’t run very well (talking i9 10th gen, 32gb ddr4 and 3080RTX) so I doubt even half life 2 will run decently.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's not RTX but that was a fucking 10/10 experience. Xen knocked my socks off.

[–] Hasuris@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The cool thing about raytracing is it doesn't really matter how complex a scene is. The bad thing about raytracing is it doesn't really matter how complex a scene is.

If your card can't run remixed HL2, it also won't be able to do HL1

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I'll be the one to be overly excited: GIVE IT TO ME!

[–] ErinCrush@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember the Quake 2 RTX version? Remember how no one played it? It's just, not a good look, runs slow and just isn't needed. This is all just to make more people buy Nvidia cards.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what you're talking about. Quake 2 RTX is my go-to recommendation if someone wants to see what raytracing is actually about. Not only are there some built in tools to fiddle with lighting but the end result makes such a huge difference that I can't see myself playing Quake 2 again without raytracing. Out of all the RTX supported games Quake 2 was the one that blew me away the most. It makes bright areas bright and dark areas actually dark and you can see how light sources, in real time, change the look of the environment.

[–] BigVault@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I know it’s not the latest and greatest but I’m so happy I’ve got a 3090 to play this on. Can not wait.

[–] d4rknusw1ld@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now they have to do HL3 right….right?

[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They sort of announced HL3 in the post credit scene on HLAlyx, but of course we've been promised HL3 before so even if we get it it'll be another 10 years probably. Alyx was so incredibly good though.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait I thought we all agreed HLA is HL3 in spirit

[–] Maximilious@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alyx is a prequel to HL2, so it can't be part of the episodic release. There were some cliffnotes a previous lead storyboarder had released on the loose plot of HL3 some years ago. It ended with Gman retiring freeman and employing Alyx if I recall correctly.

[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes and spoilers (since I don't know how to cover a comment)

The post credit scene of Alyx shows you as Gordan at the end of HL2E2. Only Gman has now taken Alyx and you as Gordon are being handed Gordon's crowbar and are told "come on Gordon, we have work to do"

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

[–] atocci@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What ever happened to Project Borealis?

[–] nickname@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, cool project but let me see something outside of that room!

[–] pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that was not really a good room to show off RT features. Most of the shown effects can be convincingly faked with modern shader techniques.

[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I hope they do the episodes as well.

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