How to differentiate from those who've read the book and those who haven't.
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I assume OP just did their best to make up an example. She doesn't say anywhere that she is a superfan herself or even has read the books at all.
I assume it was made up because people do that
What's the catch? I've read the anthology a couple of times, albeit not in English, and I seem to miss the joke here.
The speech in the OP is Théoden's speech from the movie. In the book, he says,
Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!
and just a page or two later
‘To me! To me!’ cried Théoden. ‘Up Eorlingas! Fear no darkness!’
(ROTK book 5, chapters 5 & 6)
Now, Eomer does say something very similar to Theoden's speech from the Charge of the Rohirrim, upon discovering his sister and assuming her dead:
‘Éowyn, Éowyn!’ he cried at last. ‘Éowyn, how come you here? What madness or devilry is this? Death, death, death! Death take us all!’
and in the next paragraph
‘Death! Ride, ride to ruin and the world’s ending!’
(later in ROTK book 5, chapter 6)
The line "Forth Eorlingas!" is Theoden's (though the Rohirrim also say it en masse), but it's from the chapter about Helm's Deep and the one preceding it. (TTT book 3, chapters 6 & 7).
And, look, Theoden's speech before the Charge of the Rohirrim at Pelennor is a cinematic masterpiece. And Bernard Hill (RIP) is probably the biggest reason why; his delivery is unimpeachable. In a lot of ways, the speech in the movie is better than what's in the books at that moment; but honestly they are trying to do different things.
So technically, the movie version is a bit heightened from the book version, and cobbled together from a few different sources. To put it all together:
Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Verbatim from Theoden's speech in ROTK chapter 5. Correctly placed in the narrative.
Spear shall be shaken, shield shall be splintered,
Also from Theoden's speech in ROTK chapter 5, but not quite verbatim (they added a "shall" in there, presumably for flow...or maybe just Bernard Hill forgot the exact line). Correctly placed in the narrative, though they left out "Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!" before this line.
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Verbatim from Theoden's speech in ROTK chapter 5. Correctly placed in the narrative.
Ride now, ride now, ride!
Also from Theoden's speech in ROTK chapter 5, with an extra "Ride!" thrown in. Correctly placed in the narrative.
Ride for ruin and the world's ending! Death! Death! Death!
Transplanted from Eomer's speech in ROTK chapter 6, with "to" replaced with "for," the order of the lines reversed, and the mood changed from despair to defiance.
Forth Eorlingas!
Right character, wrong moment. Transplanted from Theoden's speech in TTT chapter 7 at Helm's Deep, but in the same vein as Theoden's shout of "Up Eorlingas!" from the beginning of ROTK chapter 6.
So Kelly, from the original tweet, probably overheard her husband reading Chapter 5 of ROTK, and her brain filled in the movie version of the quote while she was writing the tweet.
I'm delighted to see a lore scholar come and help me out. Thank you. I hope I'd be as helpful to some anon as you were to me.
You honor me, friend. Far more than I deserve.
You may go now to your fathers, and even in their mighty company, you shall not now be ashamed
Had to check that you username wasn't Den of Geek <3 Fascinating, thank you!
I'm just a guy with a digital version of the book easy at hand. You're welcome!
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THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD.
THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD TO ISENGUARD
What's taters precious?
Boil em, mash em, put em in a stew!
When I have kids, one of the greatest challenges I'm anticipating is going to be keeping all the voices of the dwarves in the Hobbit diverse yet consistent.
Weirdly, I've given this problem some thought.
I like to go for famous people with memorable delivery styles and as much variety as possible:
- Ed Wynn
- John Wayne
- Bob Hope
- John Fielder
- Noel Fielding
- Kumail Nanjiani
- Peter Capaldi
- Richard Ayoade
- Stephen Fry
- Steve Buscemi
- Peter Cullen
- Jonathan Frakes
This is also a useful reference group for ad-hoc NPCs when running a game of Pathfinder.
Edit: I focused on male voices, since we're talking about doing the Hobbit. But now I want to reuse this for NPCs.
Some great, distinct, female voices:
- Reba McIntyre
- Jane Krakowski (30 Rock, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt)
- Natasha Fatale (from Rocky and Bullwinkle) (June Foray)
- Granny (from Luney Tunes) (June Foray, Tress MacNeille)
- Jane Kangaroo (Horton Hears a Who) (still June Foray)
- Daisy Duck (often Tress MacNeille)
- Dot Warner (Tress MacNeille again)
- Mrs Featherby (DuckTales) (Tress MacNeille again)
Mine aren't old enough to tell me that I'm doing voices wrong yet. I need to practice.
Mine are old enough, we're over half way through The Deathly Hallows and I've already told the The Hobbit is next.
I'm in trouble
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Don't forget to pick some characters you admire for vanity's sake.
What i mean to say is my canon Sherlock Holmes headvoice is father's, who loves Holmes and it would tickle him pink if he knew
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Alternatively Andy Serkis did an audio book for the hobbit and LoTR which are amazing.
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Goosebumps. Gonna need to watch the extended trilogy again now..
If you get a crowd going enough, you can yell some barely intelligible bullshit and they'll eat it up.
FOR CHOCOLATE SOCKS
FOR CHOCOLATE SOCKS!!
Ngl, this was a problem for me too.
It wasn't lord of the rings, because the kid wasn't into that level of vocabulary yet. It was Harry Potter. But apparently, me booming out every line of Hagrid's in a faux Scottish accent was "going to keep the kid and the entire neighborhood up all night, you damn nerd."
Doesn't Hagrid famously have a west country accent?
Everyone thinks Hagrid is Scottish because of that other groundskeeper.
Yeah, but I essentially have 3 UK accents, and they all suck, but the Scottish is the least bad lol.
As long as he isn't busting into the room, screaming "IS IT SECRET? IS IT SAFE?" at all hours of the night.
How old are these kids? Because those books get impressively eloquent as they advance, not to mention disturbing:
A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil. And the Dark Lord took it, and nursed it with fell meats until it grew beyond the measure of all other things that fly; and he gave it to his servant to be his steed.
Are kids gonna love that or wonder what the hell he's talking about? I can't decide.
I just finished reading the LotR series with my now-11 yo son (we started a few years ago) and there were definitely plenty of sections like this that I converted to more understandable terms and concepts on the fly. Sure my son may not have heard this exact line, but he definitely got the idea that ~~Shelob was old, bad, and Sauron had encouraged get 8 in exchange for a scary guard in the tunnels into Mordor~~ the fell beasts were scary.
Edit: apparently my son may or may not have gotten an entirely different version of the book told to him!
Pretty sure the above quote was about the fell beasts, not Shelob.
man my OED app has been giving bullshit words of the day like "frenzy" "prestige" "vacant" and stuff ive known since i was a kid, and here on twitter you get gems like "verve" which is an actual WotD
"frenzy” “prestige” “vacant”
Wow I feel like almost all adult native speakers will have heard of a feeding frenzy, a vacant lot and a prestigious award. Those look like good words of the day for speakers of English as a second language of 2-5 years maybe.
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My dad read the Hobbit for my sister and I like this. Even with songs at all those (many) song points in the book.
I'll always remember that.
She's a lucky woman.
This guy gets it.
Parenting done right :)
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