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Google and various websites says 28g of pecans is between 185 and 195 calories, how in the world are praline pecans much less calories?

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 105 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's not an awful lot of calories in difference. Pecans, like all nuts, are highly caloric because they're high in fat. It just so happens that your praline pecans replace part of the pecans with sugar, which is less caloric than fats. So 28 gr of praline pecans have less cals than 28gr regular pecans.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 70 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the “low fat” diet craze. “We replaced all that fat with salt and sugar. Enjoy!”

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's the same with the lo-carb fad. No more sugars and starches, here's a wad of salty fat!

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Except the way fat is metabolized is far better for you than what's been paraded as "healthy".

I'd sooner eat a high fat diet than even moderate carb or any kind of low fat diet.

Got diabetes in the family, I could lecture on how to manage it with diet (Type II), I've read so much research over the decades. Fat is crucial for stabilizing blood glucose.

For an introduction, read "The Zone" by Barry Sears (the 1994 book, nothing else called the Zone, the rest is marketing garbage). It explains (indirectly) why a high fat diet isn't the Bad Thing we've been lead to believe.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 months ago

Fat is crucial definitely. But even more important is fiber.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Why is everyone anti-science when it comes to nutrition? Sorry, but you’re just wrong, which I suppose isn’t too surprising when your reference is a three-decades old book written by a goofball non-scientist who knows about as much biochemistry as you do. None whatsoever.

Saturated fat is processed by the liver from Chylomicrons to VLDLs to LDLs in an incredibly taxing process directly responsible for fatty liver disease. No faster way to get diabetes than eating lots of saturated fat and sugar. Both are absolutely horrible and very poorly tolerated by humans, who are apes that evolved eating mostly plants. These are empirical facts. Stop treating food like a religion and just eat a fucking vegetable.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They didn't specify saturated fats, but I didn't look up the book, so it may have.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Forum discussions about food are like a biochemist’s personal hell. No offense, but you’re all dumb as shit.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

You must either know some very intelligent shit, or not know much about causing offense, lol

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A low-carb food isn't useful on its own because, as you pointed out, the fat/calorie count is usually huge. However, if you can stick to a full ketogenic diet, low-carb actually works for weight loss - ketosis isn't dependent on a caloric deficit. Yes, most casual-but-dedicated dieters are still going to mess up other things with bad fats and excessive salts like making jerky roll ups in mozzarella dough while forgetting to stuff themselves with vegetables. Your body will take a few days to figure out how it's supposed to get energy if you're not supplementing with dietary sugars, but it does eventually. So while yes I roll my eyes at too many requests for low-carb items, I have to appreciate their misunderstanding resulting in my improved food options.

Because that's how I dropped 40lbs in 6 months without changing anything else in my life and while still having tasty food without guilt. 235>195 5'10 M

[–] ericatty@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Seconding this. 28g of sugar has 108 calories.

Which roughly just over half the amount of calories in 28 g of pecans (193 calories)

So simple math.

28g sugar + 28g pecans = 108 calories sugar + 193 calories Gives you 301 calories total

28g sugar times 2 = 216 calories 28g pecans times 2 = 386 calories

Sugar has significantly less calories per gram than pecans.

When you go by weight, you can really play with the calorie content by substituting calorie dense food (like fats, nuts, oils, avocado) that has a lot of calories per gram with foods that are the same weight but less calories per gram

Carbs like sugar have less calories per gram than fats, and salt has 0 calories, but it adds grams of weight

The pralines are substituting some of the high calorie weight of the pecans for lower calorie sugar and salt. So the weight is the same, but the total ingredients have less calories because of the non-pecan stuff used to top off the weight to get to 28g)

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Which is why you should never just look at calories.

600 calories of candy bars and 600 calories of steak looks a lot different. But will weigh about the same. From memory, that will be about 2 and a half Snickers, and one 8 ounce steak.

Trying to eat 600 calories of healthy green vegetables would see your jaw fall off before you finished chewing. About 6 heads of romaine lettuce to get you that far. Until you add dressing. Which, generally speaking, will have about 120 calories per ounce. A little more than a candy bar.

[–] mononomi@feddit.nl 16 points 3 months ago

Fat is more calorie dense than sugar so the added sugar would lower the calories per gram I think

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

If I were to hazard a guess... and this is ONLY a guess...

28g of pecans is 100% pecans.
28g of praline pecans is pecans + other things.

So you aren't eating 28g of pecans, let's say you're eating 22g of pecans and 6g of other ingredients.

If those other ingredients are less calorie dense than the pecans themselves, then yes, it could have fewer calories.

28g of pecans = 196 calories.
196/28 = 7 calories per gram.
Sugar = 4 calories per gram.
Butter = 7 calories per gram.

[–] explore_broaden@midwest.social 14 points 3 months ago

Sugar only has about 4 calories per gram, so 28 grams would be 112 calories. So a blend of sugar and pecans has less calories per gram (somewhere between). Fat is very dense in calories per gram, and pecans are mostly fats.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Folks have commented on the caloric density of fat vs sugar but I did want to highlight that Calories aren't the only thing that matters - we're much worse at productively using sugars. Praline pecans certainly shouldn't be viewed as a strictly healthier option.

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This article indicates that the USA FDA allows for up to a 20% margin of error for values required to be on the Nutrition Facts label. The article also describes multiple methods of measuring the calorific value of food, either by burning it in the not-so-TSA-friendly-named bomb calorimeter or through methods that have standardized the calorific value of each constituent nutrient.

It's also the case that not every foodstuff is perfectly identical to all other products. A banana is hardly going to be constituted exactly like another banana, and even the most basic measurement of mass will not match up to other bananas. Yet some sort of "standard" banana must be assumed in order to print the nutrition label.

As an aside, I do fondly remember making a bomb calorimeter in chemistry class using a polystyrene cup as the insulation. It worked remarkably well, IIRC, being within 10% of what we were given as the expected value. Obviously, real measurements would be far more controlled than what some college freshmen can manage, but the concept is sound, if only measuring what the food provides, not necessarily what the human digestive tract can extract.

As an aside to an aside, celery appears to not be a negative-calorie food, even after considering human digestion.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

That's what I assumed was the thing. I understand that sugar has less calories per gram, but butter is also a big part of the mix. So I assumed it would be much closer to the calories of actual pecans. But even a 10% margin of error would probably allow for that I would assume.

To expand, pecans are about 6kcal/g sugar is 4kcal/g - since the serving size is 28g, not by volume, they have reduced the pecans per serving and added sugar per serving which is less calorie dense per gram.

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[–] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Check the serving size listed in Google against what's on the label there.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

His post says the serving size is the same.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

Shoosh that’s 570 kcal per 100 grams! And Half of that is sugar-calories!

Regular pecans have about 700 kcal / 100 grams - no sugar.

You could do a test: eat 100g of those Praline Pecans one day and 100g of regular Pecans the next day. And write up how you feel for the hours following! It helped me realize how bad sugar was lol