But seriously: if you're not voting for Biden, does that mean you instead vote for Trump? Or do you not vote at all? What if that results in another Trump presidency? What is the argument against voting for the lesser evil? Is it a matter of principle, then?

Unless you think Trump is the superior candidate, in which case I am not really interested in talking to you.

I mean, yes, it would be better if instead of Biden they ran someone younger and more progressive. And even better would be if the ridiculous two-party system was replaced altogether. But slim as the chance of that happening with Biden is, it is surely even more unlikely for that to happen with the Republicans and Trump in power, right?

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just genuinely confused as it seems I'm missing something that's perhaps obvious to you.

[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This should be in a sidebar somewhere explaining the communist perspective on electoralism but since I don't see it I'll engage, I'm voting 3rd party like I have in every election previously. On a fundamental level "blue no matter who" does not help. The failures of Neo-liberalism lead to the conditions that gave birth to the MAGA movement, we had 8 years of Obama before Trump and 4 years of Biden, so why is Trump a threat still? On its good days liberalism (including neo) is incapable of fighting fascism, on its normal days it joins fascism (Obama deported more people than Bush, Biden more than Trump). As for your point about the lesser evil, it's one part principle and one part realist, if my choices are 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler the system is already fucked and needs to be destroyed (again see one of he many writeups about electoralism).

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Honestly if regulars here get sick of fielding these responses maybe we need the mods to setup an auto reply.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Let me tell you the thing that changed my mind on lesser evil voting.

It used to be, when people said "if you vote for the lesser evil you are endorsing evil" I would balk, because thats not why I was voting lesser evil right? I was voting for the differences.

Then it hit me, thats not how the candidate and party see my vote is it? No, they see my vote as a 100% endorsement of everything they are doing. Which in this case includes a genocide.

In 50 years I dont want to look children in the face asking me what I did during the Gaza genocide and say "voted for the guy committing the genocide because he was nicer".

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