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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 101 points 4 months ago (3 children)

“inclusive, immigrationist, eco-sustainable, and gay-friendly.”

Sustainability is definitely the thing I’d hate most. I mean, why save the planet and thus ourselves?

This week, he shared an X post from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene in which the MAGA congresswoman asserted: “The Covid vaccines are killing people.”

It’s well-established that everyone who got the vax is dead, including me, so this tracks.

He’s also won the praise of Donald Trump. In 2020, Vigano wrote a letter to the then-president in which he linked COVID restrictions and Black Lives Matter protests as the work of “the children of darkness.”

Dude is going hard on the racism.

You know what? I don’t think I like him.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s well-established that everyone who got the vax is dead, including me, so this tracks.

I got the boosters so I'm extra-super dead

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yep, got vaccinated twice and am typing this from beyond the grave.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Everyone, every single person who got the covid vaccine is going to die.

Eventually.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] meleethecat@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Me too, I got vaccinated twice and I died both times.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago

Good thing you still have 7 lives left.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Children of Darkness sounds metal as hell. I say we claim it

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[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The fun part is all the people who are gonna come out with hot takes like “what does this ’pope’ guy know about being a good Christian? He could learn a thing or two from Trump.”

We’re doomed.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Expelling the cardinal is likely to increase tensions between Francis and conservative American Catholics, a group he as described as having “a very, strong, organized, reactionary attitude,” and whom he accused in 2023 of replacing faith with “ideologies.”

Someone: says a true thing

AP Wire Service: puts “true thing” in quotes

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's how attributions work. They're in quotes so we can distinguish what he actually said from the general summary of events that the article is providing.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

True, but it’s also used to distance the article (“the authority”) from the truth of the word or set of words. The wire service then doesn’t have to commit to (in this case) saying people referenced in the story are replacing religion with ideologies.

Scare quotes.

The ultra conservative Catholics (and “evangelicals” which is what we used to call “tv preachers” but is now so mainstream they have their own Protestant designation,) HAVE replaced faith with ideology. But even if that’s debatable, the word ideology is perfectly acceptable - the quotes are not just superfluous, they’re there to limit the impact of the statement. The statement already said it’s a quote, it already said Who said it, it went further by using the word “accused” instead of “said” (now there’s a word choice - is that how attribution works? No. No it is not.), and then put scare quotes on “ideologies”.

Take out “accused”, put the whole quote in, and I have no problem with it. They butchered it in this way for a reason, and that reason has little to do with the accepted guide for attribution.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that's how quotes work, yes. I agree with your sentiment, but that's how all news organizations do it.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

One man’s faith is another man’s ideology.

Ultimately, the problem is religion. Religion should not be part of politics.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Has he tried claiming that he hasn't been excommunicated and storming the Vatican?

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Vigano thereafter made increasingly baroque attacks on Francis while also drifting into conspiracy theories, backing bogus claims about COVID vaccines and making proclamations about the evils of the “deep state.” This week, he shared an X post from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene in which the MAGA congresswoman asserted: “The Covid vaccines are killing people.”

Homey dropped off the deep end and never came back, lol. Didn't his parents ever tell him, "Don't believe everything that you see on the internet."?

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago

Imagine being a big deal in the Catholic Church and complaining about the Deep State.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean his whole job is to get other people to believe there's an invisible dude in the sky ready to smite me if he sees me masturbate. This is just par for the course for him :>

[–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Quit making that face when you masturbate and maybe he won't.....you know the face I'm talking about.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 2 points 4 months ago

I'm turning Japanese Oh yes I'm turning Japanese I really think so

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He’s (well he was) an archbishop. Homes has believed in crazy things people just made up and treated as real for a super long time.

Transubstantiation. Yo.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Archbishop? How do those move again?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's the same as a normal bishop. They use arch btw.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remind me again, are those the pieces with the funny hats?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Depends on what you mean by funny. I think those guys wearing horse masks are out there.

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (5 children)

A bit torn on this, tbh. 'Cause on the one hand, good - fuck that guy. He's trash and he deserves to be thrown out for being trash. But on the other hand, as far as I'm aware, none of those priests that fucked children were excommunicated. So according to the head of the catholic church, slagging off the pope is worse than fucking children? Seems like a weird set of priorities.

[–] ChefWhite@aussie.zone 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The first priest that the PR Pope excommunicated, in 2013, earned it by speaking out for women to be ordained (he also supported marriage equality, but the ordaining women thing seems to be the main issue).

In Melbourne. The same city where George Pell molested children and protected other molesters. George Pell, a child who the Pope appointed to the Council of Cardinal Advisers.

Child molestation isn't a lesser sin to the church. It's a non-sin.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean, where in the Bible does it say you can't rape children? The bible doesn't condemn rape of adults or children. It's not a sin to rape anyone at all.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

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[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

So according to the head of the catholic church, slagging off the pope is worse than fucking children?

One is just cause for excommunication according to the rules. Excommunication is a very specific punishment for very specific religious things.

Stealing communion wine could technically earn you an excommunication depending on how it was done and what was done with the wine.

The rules behind excommunication are practically ancient at this point but they weren't there to prevent all sins, just be punishment for specific things that were threatening to the absolute shitshow that the organization itself was a long ass time ago.

The fact that it's still a shitshow as an organization, albeit a slightly different KIND of shitshow has no bearing on this situation in particular.

Let's be fair, though. All kiddy diddlers are in the depths of iniquity and should have long since been addressed under what's said in scripture and held to account on that regardless of any talk of excommunication.

Clergy should have been removed for choosing to actively live in sin and then punished according to the law.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The important part is to be loyal. Same as when Elizabeth I broke with Rome the people punished for being chatolic was not charged with heresy, but treason

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Expelling the cardinal is likely to increase tensions between Francis and conservative American Catholics, a group he as described as having “a very, strong, organized, reactionary attitude,” and whom he accused in 2023 of replacing faith with “ideologies.”

That’s a great summation of the problem with the religious right in this country.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 15 points 4 months ago

The trumpanzees already despises the pope, so I don't think a whole lot is going to change from this.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Catholics are all cannibals. Communion bread is people!

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago

It's not people, it's only one person!

There's a lot of him to go around though.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You know. If I was a billionaire… I’d buy the company that makes the wafers and rename it “Soylent Green”.

I wonder how long it would take for people to figure it out.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I will not, duck will not! I will not try your Green Christ, no man.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Interested to see how this plays.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Not too often you see the nuthatches shaking up the status quo.

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