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"Free speech absolutist"

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[–] PascalSausage@beehaw.org 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Elon is a free speech absolutist, as long as you’re hurting other people and not him.

[–] ChaseGlitter@waveform.social 2 points 1 year ago

I think this is a pretty common approach to "free speech" by people who don't really understand what censorship is, and/or are not capable of empathizing with others. It just never occurs to them that when you claim free speech as a basic right, that means that other people also get to speak. It would be funny if it didn't create so much harm.

[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess he saw that appealing to the nerd demographic with tesla and spacex wasn't working so he shifted to the "total asshole" demographic. Like seriously, why is it so hard for him to say one nice thing???

[–] TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I call this syndrome, "Death by Red Pills." Rather than Matrix's red pill, it's Qanon/MAGA red pill. His transition was gradual, the very first clue was him parroting Qanon craps in Joe Rogan interview and I called it a few years ago.

He spew hate, get validation from his peers, and so it become a feedback loop with him alienating sane people and finding solace with the Qanon/MAGA people and before he know it, he become a mindless radicalized drone of the hate-hivemind. Today, he can't help, but keep parroting the same talking points as MAGA on almost every single issue and giving them one extra tool to facilitate that hate like a useful tool. He is almost literally in his own mind prison.

[–] Fauxreigner@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, this is a common cycle of transphobic love bombing pulling people further right. Rowling is a pretty similar story.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

There is a non-trivial overlap between nerds and assholes, unfortunately. Take Gamergate, for instance, or really any fandom when a woman dares to exist and say something. Hell, 'the red pill' is a Matrix reference.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really at this point you have to ask yourself why are you still on Twitter.

[–] TheCalzoneMan@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Join Mastodon! It's smaller, but growing. And not owned by anyone, much less a baby in a suit.

[–] Callie@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I've mentioned it in private, but it's absolutely messed up that someone can call me a "biological male" and intend to harm me by doing so, but if I call them Cis as a descriptor, I can be banned

[–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago

Free speech assolutist

[–] vale_fallacia@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

really looking forward to the day when we no longer hear about that person.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't quite understand, if cis is a slur, what should we call people who have the same gender as their birth certificates? Is there an alternative name for it?

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The bigots probably want "normal" to be that word. Like, an "I'm normal and you're not normal" sort of thing.

[–] __chelsea__@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's the closest thing I can tell. They want either "normal" or just to reserve the term "woman" or "man" for cisgender people, and refuse to even acknowledge trans identities at all.

I mean, the guy that Elon is quoting here, ostensibly "protecting" objects to the word cis because he objects to trans people's existence in general.

[–] RadioRat@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

RIP chemistry Twitter.

[–] PierreKanazawa@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Elon ruined free speech absolutism like everything before

[–] gk99@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I can understand not wanting to be referred to as CIS, it's hardly like everyone associates good connotations with the prefix considering the high tensions that can come in relevant discussions, but to outright ban it is absurd. To be clear,

Banning use of a word that’s part of our daily vocabulary around the world

it's not part of everyone's daily vocabulary around the world, and that is precisely the problem. I grew up in shithole Oklahoma, and the only time I have ever heard or said the word in-person is when talking with my trans friend, and I literally had to remember what the prefix was last time I was having a discussion involving it. I learned about the word not from someone who was politely explaining to me the difference, but from a very openly hostile person referring to CIS people as "scum" online. That's a really shitty first impression. I get that it's not actually an offensive term, but the feelings I was experiencing when I learned the meaning have sure stuck around and I don't generally enjoy using the term. If, instead, the term was more normalized, it'd just be a normal run-of-the-mill word to me that I wouldn't have a problem associating with.

I feel like banning it and calling it a "slur" is literally only problematic for these sorts of reasons and will lead to continued pointless division of something that should just be a basic descriptor. It's misleading, will associate negative emotions with the word, and will in turn hamper LGBTQ+ acceptance as the phrase is continually thrown around.

tl;dr Musk is a dumb fucking idiot that is going to harm society.

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