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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 68 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The former Director of the State Food and Drug Administration of the People's Republic of China Zheng Xiaoyu was executed in an execution van on July 10, 2007.

Sources a NYT article. Any guesses as to what the article actually says?

His father has no sympathy for Zheng Xiaoyu, the State Food and Drug Administration's former chief, executed on Tuesday.

Nothing about a van or any method of execution. Anything is true when you just lie about it I guess.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 47 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If you were to give NATOpedians the benefit of the doubt (big "if"), it's possible that the NYT originally did publish an unsubstantiated claim about the method of execution and later retracted it without apology or notice. It's part of the Westoid media's MO at this point, just look at the recent Hamas r*pe allegations.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe but the page revision shows this reference was added in 2024, the person editing this had access to the current version. All of the links there are shit even the old ones are not any better like this its a story by some caricature named cracker who seems to have built an entire career of being the "Chinese correspondent", citing "No First Name" Zhang telling an outline of why China might need this. No facts or anything and the only other source is surprise surprise a literal San Francisco based NGO "working to free political prisoners" lol.

This is the standard of wikipedia.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

My bad. Death to NATOpedia and the NYT.

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[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you imagine the bastards at the American FDA getting executed?

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

Or anyone from Purdue Pharma for causing the opioid crisis.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 56 points 5 months ago

The source: a guy who looks like Adrian Zenz but wearing a mustache and Groucho Marx glasses who goes by "Schmadrian Schmenz."

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 54 points 5 months ago

Any editors here who wanna nominate this shit for deletion? sisyphus

This article stays up and they delete Big Floppa's article tails-pout (only on the English NATOpedia, ofc)

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In the spirit of not being one-sided and not jumping to conclusions I tried to look into the few sources Wikipedia (English and German) cites and this "mobile execution van" concept in general raiden-source

Most of the western articles about this either had no source for their claims it-is-known or cited some official somewhere in China or some employee in a car company under a partial name or pseudonym. Also not a lot of concrete claims someone could check out in many of these articles, more like storytelling weirdly

But I really don't know anything about the death penalty in China and I don't speak Chinese blob-no-thoughts so I'm stuck with reading these shitty western sources

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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Amnesty report is about something entirely unrelated.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

Also, fake and made up.

[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago

What’s even cooler and good-er is when the sources are completely wrong, or from a book by a Nazi.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago

Probe to the dark side of the moon: "China copied this."

Nazi-era execution van: "China developed this."

[–] abc@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

To nominate multiple related pages for deletion, follow the multi-page deletion nomination procedure.
To nominate a single page for deletion, you can use Twinkle, or follow these three steps:

I – Put the deletion tag on the article.

Insert {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article. Do not mark the edit as minor.
If this article has been nominated before, use {{subst:afdx|2nd}} or {{subst:afdx|3rd}} etc.

Include in the edit summary AfD: Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName]]. replacing NominationName with the name of the page being nominated. Publish the page.
The NominationName is normally the article name (PageName), but if it has been nominated before, use "PageName (2nd nomination)" or "PageName (3rd nomination)" etc.)

II – Create the article's deletion discussion page.

The resulting AfD box at the top of the article should contain a link to "Preloaded debate" in the AfD page. Click that link to open the article's deletion discussion page for editing. Some text and instructions will appear.

You can do it manually as well:

Click the link saying "deletion discussion page" to open the deletion-debate page.
Insert this text:
{{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
Replace PageName with the name of the page, Category with a letter from the list M, O, B, S, W, G, T, F, and P to categorize the debate, and Why the page should be deleted with the reasons the page should be deleted.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
Use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion for [[PageName]]. Publish the page.

III – Notify users who monitor AfD discussions.

Open the articles for deletion log page for editing.
At the top of the list on the log page (there's a comment indicating the spot), insert:{{subst:afd3 | pg=NominationName}}
Replace NominationName appropriately (use "PageName", "PageName (2nd nomination)", etc.)
Link to the discussion page in your edit summary: Adding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName]]. Publish the page.
Consider letting the authors know on their talk page by adding: {{subst:Afd notice|Page name}} ~~~~
If this is not the first nomination, add a second parameter with the NominationName (use "PageName (2nd nomination)" etc.): {{subst:Afd notice|PageName|NominationName}} ~~~~

someone with the time and wikipedia account do this. this shit article will get deleted if you point out that literally 75% of the 'sources' actually linked on the article are false or have literally no information (I'm looking at you NYT article about Zheng Xiaoyu) LOL.

[–] abc@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

For reference:

Most of the sources seem only to 'verify' that china executes people. Which is probably how this article has been up for so long if I had to guess, since the average person looks at the handful of sources and goes 'ah, this is true then' without realizing that the only actual linked sources are for things like "China executes 2,400 people a year" lol. (Source #2: https://www.scmp.com/infographics/article/1631703/infographic-capital-punishment)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46872651.amp (This is Source #6 in the article) has no mention of execution vans.

Whole article seems to stem from this 2012 Washington Post article with the image caption being 'Chinese police lead a condemned man into a special execution van to be put to death. (AFP/Getty Images)'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/05/yes-china-still-harvests-organs-from-executed-prisoners/

Now is this an 'execution' van? A prisoner transport van? Who can really say. But thumb-cop

Shit wikipedia article and I bet it would be a headache to actually get deleted but it does seem like there has been one user (Causa sui) who has consistently kept an eye on the page and removed edits that have been egregiously unsourced, so I bet they would probably be in support of nuking the page.

[–] PauliExcluded@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Well, I tried to remove as much bs as possible and make things more neutral without raising any red flags for the editors of Wikipedia. Hopefully, that’s a bit better and they don’t revert it. pain

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just saw your changes. Nice. I'm not asking you to do to anything more, but as it stands, it still seems unnecessary for a whole article to exist. It could very nicely fit as a single sentence here. Deletion would be ideal, but that is expecting a lot from Wikipedia admins.

[–] PauliExcluded@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

I agree. I really don’t see where an execution takes place changes the fact capital punishment is legal. It’s not like there’s an article over execution facilities in the US or Russia.

However, deleting is a long bureaucratic process where you have to argue with a bunch of no-life randos. Many editors consider it bad form to delete and reword large parts of an article then nominate it for deletion. This is viewed as intentional sabotage and bad faith, even if all you do is delete the unreliable sources. This article touches on this crap.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

About as real as The Punishers Battle Van but also much cooler

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Is this what they drove in the 2020 riots?

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who's this "[citation needed]" guy and why does he hate China so much?!?!?!?!?!

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 5 months ago

They hate communism in general, it seems. Weird person.

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

I read about this when I was like 14 lol. I remember going “wow china is so evil” then a few months ago I find out a US prison had mass graves in fhe backyard.

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