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“Communists” crying over dead occupation soldiers and fascists, equating fascists to those who resist genocide

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 108 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you refuse conscription to the IDF they just put you in jail for a while, they don't fucking kill you

fucking clown shit

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah but once you serve your sentence they can just conscript you to serve again, which means it's back to jail.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the IDF incompetence is actually fragging

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 77 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would literally rather go to jail multiple times than agree to join the baby flamethrower duty squad

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 89 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

There are many who are: Sofia Orr, 18; Tamar Alon, 18; Tal Mitnick, 18; Tamar Ze’evi, 19; lots of kids choosing jail over genocide. We should definitely celebrate them.

Tal Mitnick has been serving consecutive 30 day sentences since December as far as I can find. Strangely, this topic isn't being covered much by media. Weird!

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago

Makes me think of the legacy of Sophie Scholl. Those young people are being brave as hell.

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[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 104 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ultras be like: the haitians are killing proletariat slave owners 💔

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 67 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"The Cubans killed a bunch of small business owners"

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

Mom and pops sugar refineries

[–] MrStalin@hexbear.net 74 points 5 months ago (6 children)

There's literally a guy in that thread defending wehrmacht conscripts I'm gonna die how are these people real

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 58 points 5 months ago

Someone got banned for posting this image in the comment mocking them

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

...Is 7DeadlyFetishes in there?!

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

I never even got to see the thread. Genuinely didn’t expect for 7DF to drop a bomb like that.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 39 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I can still feel bad that millions of Germans got killed. But you know who's fault that was? Themselves in aggregate and the nazis specifically. I'm not going to defend the average Fritz. Especially because they had all the fucking guns. Armies exist, in theory, to defend their people. The German army failed that task. They should have deposed the nazis and surrendered when their homeland was under invasion. The outcome of the war was settled it just hadnt ended yet. Instead they fought on, more innocents got killed for the egos of their genocidal masters. I can't defend that shit even on Opposite Day. Fuckin ultras.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

wojak-nooo nooooooooooooooooooo you don't understand they'd have had to suffer material consequences for adhering to principles instead of being given a gold star and being told you're a good boy by the teacher

Bordiga was and remains a blight on communist discourse

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 62 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don’t really understand ultras. They seem to see themselves as being the farthest left you can get while being the stereotypical armchair leftists that talk revolution and do nothing outside of that.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I always thought Ultra Lefts were a CIA job, since they only really exists on the internet to troll the Left (from the left), never ran into one in real life. Then I read an obituary of one...but then again it might just be the CIA being elaborate heh

[–] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago

Well, ultras go back much further than the CIA does. Lenin famously wrote about the phenomenon as an infantile disorder back in 1920. But that's not to say that the disorder hasn't been often used by the likes of the CIA and anticommunists in general as one of the many tools in their bag to smear and discredit actual Marxist-Leninists. There are plenty of genuine ultras out there but finding the line that differentiates them from psyops is usually a fool's errand. Honestly, I think there are some ultras whose hearts really are in the right place, they just crucially failed at the materialist part of dialectical materialism. The jackass in OP is not one of these.

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

MKULTRA leftists

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 5 months ago (1 children)

One of the most basic creeds of leftism is "capitalist imperialism and colonialism bad"

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 54 points 5 months ago (16 children)

No don’t you understand? All countries are capitalist which means all countries are imperialist which means they are all exactly equal and there’s no stance we can ever take on anything because it’s all the same

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[–] Swoosegoose@hexbear.net 49 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Bruh what the fuck is that subreddit how do these people call themselves leftist

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It constantly treads the line of being a parody, and it is good for my sanity to believe that they understand that.

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[–] Yor@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago

Cry about it hamas-red-triangle

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

One of the ultra left mods bans someone for questioning the insanity of these responses.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago

These ultra arguments aren't even just spinning weird contrarian academics, it's complete reality denial.

I think the most recent poll of Israelis put the 'approve of the actions in Gaza' combined with 'should go further' at 78%.

That's only going to be high in the IDF, even taking into account conscription, because a) the most opposed wouldn't serve so aren't wouldn't be part of the IDF sample and b) the majority of the IDF is not made up of freshly drafted 18 year old conscripts.

So maybe there's like 1 or 2 guys there at statistical most who aren't totally comfortable with the genocide but still not enough to dodge it or go to jail for a bit.

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I'm both confuzzled and amused.

Ultras are the worst types of people. Full support when they get gulag in an actual revolution.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's a reason Gramsci rotted in prison while Mussolini didn't even bother killing Bordiga.

From NATOpedia:

Bordiga was released in 1931 on the occasion of his niece’s marriage to a fascist. He also posed in a group of Blackshirts and the photograph was published in a fascist newspaper.

What a fucking snake.

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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago (5 children)

What do ultras even believe? I can't decipher this nonsense looking at their sub.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

That the only true proletarian revolution in human history was in 1917 and then after that it was immediately corrupted and no other revolution happened ever again. They like to say they are more Leninist than Lenin, but in reality they are more Trotskyist than Trotsky.

There is no urgency among them to take any type of action, form any type of organization, support any kind of cause, and in fact doing any of that is derided and mocked.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

wtf-am-i-reading do they have brains? This is why we need copper pipes.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

"Ultra" is a big blanket term that usually just means any alleged "communist" who explicitly rejects all successful socialist movements as failures for one reason or another. As a result, it can seem like they have completely incoherent and contradictory beliefs because there are a lot of types of ultra. Basically anyone who declares AES as invalid or revisionist is usually an ultra, and anyone who rejects materialism in favour of idealism. Pretty much anytime someone claims to be the "one true leftist" they're an ultra.

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[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I once saw a thread there (highly upvoted) claiming that communists should have done revolutionary defeatist in the soviet union during ww2. They are basically lapdog of fascism with a red coat. I have seen a high number of ultras being sympathetic to fascists.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago

Usually Bordigists, of the Italian Communist Party. It's a fork of Orthodox Marxism that accepts Lenin but denounces Marxism-Leninism.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago

kombucha-disgust An infantile disorder, indeed.

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 5 months ago

Deeply unserious

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No you see if you'd just let them kill several myriads more Ghazzan children they would've y'know achieved class consciousness and stuff somehow, and that would've made up for them killing myriads of Ghazzan children somehow

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[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The only relevant point to make is that these people have made no condemnation of the murder of Palestinian proletariat, they can claim "The workingman has no country" if they wish, but their banner is an Israeli flag and they care only for one side. I.e. they're just liberals. What's worse they're idealists doing flag fucking under the guise of communism.

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait there are people who consider themselves ultraleftists

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

It’s left comms and stupidpol types. They act like they are the purest Marxian scholars and everyone else is stupid and wrong about what socialism means (talk a lot about commodities and other Marxian buzzwords to signal they are theory readers) but they are racist, aligned with imperialists, not committed to anti-fascism, and generally just never want to accomplish anything.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they call themselves ultras????

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