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Labour abstain on bid to criminalise water companies for sewage pollution (www.thecanary.co)
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[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

So, this isn't particularly difficult to investigate.

The Criminal Justice Bill has already passed the committee stage, see here:

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3511

Amendments of the sort the Lib Dems tabled here are outside the scope of the bill, as described. See New Clause 91, just below division 152 here:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-05-15/debates/70FB3786-C2A3-4CFE-90EA-CC2CB5AE5CCE/CriminalJusticeBill#division-51075

Unlike the USA, tacking unrelated stuff on to bills is not how our system works, especially at the final reading, which is why loads of members abstained (all of Labour, all of the SNP, even 6/15 Lib Dems, etc).

Now, do I want it to be a criminal offence to pump literal shit in to our drinking water? Of course I do, fuck the bastards.

But please don't let yourself be tricked by this political gamesmanship.

I'd say The Canary should know better, but this sort of thing is why they are an absolute joke.

Edit: added link to clause and fixed typos

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Y'know, I understand why the Canary publish this kind of misinformation. Their whole business model is based on inciting directionless outrage. What I can't understand is why people, like everyone else in this thread, keep falling for it.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My current theory is they purposefully try to cause splits in the left. There's no other reasoning for them to continue to be this bad after very nearly a decade of continually publishing utter tosh.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago

Yes, it's like some sort of horseshoe theory of spin. The Tories say Starmer breaks all his pledges and some people on the left reply, 'Yes, Tories! Please tell me more!' As though that's... helping?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

tacking unrelated stuff on to bills is not how our system works

Parliament has exclusive cognisance, it works how the members want it to work.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

Yes, and the members overwhelming rejected the attempt to add unrelated clauses to a bill in the final stages, thus keeping with convention.

The LibDems knew this would be the case, so it's cheap posturing and point scoring aimed at people who don't understand how the house operates.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

This would have beem a straight criminalisation, id rather see the environmental agency given the powers and motivation to deal with the water companies.

The EA has largely been defanged by the tories and it shows very little interest in pursuing these issues

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From the outside looking in, it would appear that Labour is yet another pseudo-progressive party that got addicted to corporate cash during the late 1990s flowering of neoliberalism ans aren't willing to let go.

It's the same thing in most western Nations, and it has the awful side effect of making what were previously "reasonable" right wing parties into proto-fascists put of self defense.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

This is "New Labour", which systematically purges traditional Labour/leftist members from any position of power or leadership e.g. Corbyn.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago

Oh FFS.

[–] TacticsConsort@yiffit.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Spineless fucking shits! This is LITERALLY your entire job!

We need to replace Starmer ASAP, having him leading the party is going to be a complete waste of our chance to make some positive change in the UK.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al -4 points 6 months ago

The bar is set so low for Starmer's Labour and yet they refuse to walk over it. It's like they're trying to break the world record for the world's lowest limbo.