libs really need to stop trying to convince me to vote for trump, i'm not voting at all, stop it
this post was submitted on 12 May 2024
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The article is just pure fiction.
As a presidential candidate, Trump has threatened to quit NATO unless European allies contribute more, and should he carry it out Europe may decide to go it alone on defense, the game suggests. "A US policy of frustrating NATO has the potential to cause the alliance to collapse, with the EU as a candidate for eventually replacing NATO's ultimate function — defending Europe from Russia," wrote Finley Grimble, the British defense expert who designed and ran the game.
Trump threatened NATO with this, Biden actually got NATO to contribute more and bombed European infrastructure with the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline. The US is NATO, they can even destroy the infrastructure of other NATO members without consequence. The war game obviously did not account for this.
"Ultimately, SACEUR is answerable to the president of the United States," said Grimble. "So he [SACEUR] can start slowing things down, or prevent things from happening. The US can just take the funding from NATO programs and they will collapse."
Yes, because the US is NATO. This is how the military wing/monopoly of imperialism works. Do the people in charge not understand how their own system works?
Some NATO members also quail at the thought that they might actually have to fight Russia without support from America, the most powerful NATO member given the size of its conventional forces and nuclear arsenal. "If I'm Italy, for example, I'm certainly guaranteeing the security of Estonia," Grimble said. "But I'm not really expecting to have to play such a prominent and crucial role in this."
However, fictional Moscow does launch new offensives in Ukraine. Bereft of US support — which Europe is unable to compensate for — Ukraine feels compelled to sign a peace that cedes eastern Ukraine to Russia and installs a pro-Russian government in Kyiv. Europe faces another problem: fear that Russia might attack NATO is scaring off domestic and international investors, causing European economies to stumble.
This is likely to happen anyways. And the whole point of the Ukraine war is to subjugate and vassalise Europe, and cause their economies to stumble. That is fully intentional from the Biden administration.
By the end of the game, the effects of a US pullback from NATO are global. China realizes that the US has really shifted its focus from Europe to the Pacific, which deters Beijing from invading Taiwan.
Again, this is going to happen anyways and is the US strategy. Win the inter imperial rivalry with Western Europe by vassalising it through the Ukraine war, for a united refocus to China. This is the plan, regardless of who is the president.
Yet at the same time, there was a genuine desire to keep NATO alive. "Many NATO members — except for France mainly — thought post-Trump it could be salvageable," Grimble said. "So it was necessary to keep the US in, keep it together, and rebuild later."
Yes, because again, the US is NATO
Do the people in charge not understand how their own system works?
The more I see the western leadership's blind floundering around, the more I think that they might actually not understand their own system. We're 30 years out from capitalism "winning" and history "ending" so our leadership doesn't need to understand the flaws and issues of the system, because the system is eternal and unchanging.
you dont have to understand the system. nobody does. you just have to 
every four years and the system will self-correct and find the best path.
Their grandfathers knew how the system worked but we're a few generations of failsons too deep now
Libs trying to threaten me with a good time
Pulling out of NATO might be the most brain dead political stance I've ever heard. Anyone who honestly believes such an action would be a good idea is either a literal traitor or a moron of the highest order.
I'm proud to be a traitor to the US empire
and i'm a proud moron of the highest order!
Maybe for America because they’re the big dog of nato, but any European who leaves nato would be unironically preserving their sovereignty lmfao
Tell me again who's the lesser evil
How do you simulate one president Vs another in a war game when individual decisions making is so subjective?
They used a LLM trained on cable tv and in the middle of model collapse to simulate dementia
I love that track
That settles it voting for trump
Critical support to big wet boy?
Death to 
Always knew the "What if?" machine from Futurama was real
Hell yeah
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How did I only see this now?? 
Trump lesser evil candidate??!!