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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 65 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So the planes aren't searching for migrants. They are just going for a nice Mediterranean sight-seeing trip! But if they see boats in distress, it's their duty to report them! And if the airport denies their landing because they are doing their due diligence, well I guess they didn't plan to have to fly an extra hour away so now they don't have the fuel to make it there. Time for an emergency landing which pretty much every airport respects.

In other words: fuck Italy.

[–] mattreb@feddit.it 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Since italy pays those countries to "guard their coasts", there have been many instances where peoples were forced to board these ships and "charity ships" were notified before hand in a sort of human-traffic type of business that makes profitable to enlarge the issue, there are multiple sides to these stories, It's not that simple unfortunately...not that I agree with what Italy is currently doing rn of course

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

That "charity ship” claim is a fabrication by right-wing media that has no basis in truth and has been even thrown out of court in Italy. Please stop perpetuating such lies.

What is actually happening is that they are paying Libyanese mafia militia for illegal push back operations and they don't want witnesses for that.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 6 months ago

If I understand correctly, they are just not letting the planes belonging to the charities to fly out of those fields. So it's not the landing that's prohibited, it's they can't base themselves there.

Also, you technically are required to take an extra hour of fuel because airports close all the time. In theory, the airport has the right to tell you to land it in the field sonewhere.

Not that I support the Italian government in this shady shit.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Breaking the thermometer won't solve the problem.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 20 points 6 months ago

Idk, these fascist fucks just want the migrants to die in the ocean. That is more likely if they aren’t spotted.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I distinctly remember a news from years ago of a small town mayor from Southern Italy, who was warmly and openly welcoming migrants to prevent depopulation and revive his town, but was arrested for whatever reason. Granted, there could be more to nuance to this, but this also happened during the time when Mateo Salvini's far-right party is in a coalition government (now the Italian government is firmly on the further right with Georgia Meloni as PM in coalition with Salvini). So, the arrest of that small town mayor is probably politically motivated and sending signal to toe the line and with far-right policies.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As far as I remember, the mayor was arrested because he colluted with mafia and stole the money needed for the migrants, but feel free to keep your narrative

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source? Nothing on the news says anything about his involvement with the mafia. Or could you be thinking of a different mayor?

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 6 months ago

Tried to search for but I cannot remember the name, so no luck.

Or could you be thinking of a different mayor?

It could be, honestly.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 19 points 6 months ago

In a written ordinance, ENAC said the planes were “unwarranted,” represented a burden for the official rescue teams and risked compromising the safety of undocumented migrants.

Seriously? What mental gymnastics went into that excuse?

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Europe has the same issue the US does.

They pillaged these countries for a dozen plus decades. Actively destroying them. Now the people have lost all hope.

What they should do is make reparations to these countries and help them rebuild, so people don't want to leave or don't have to leave...

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Partially, but it is also that due to wage and PPP differences a single person with a mediocre job in the EU can support an entire extended family back in their home country. Changing that is not so easy, especially when it largely comes down to PPP and lifestyle differences.

IMHO as much as I agree that it would be great for people to not feel a lot of pressure to leave their home countries to look for a better life, maybe the more realistic option is to try and find a way to make this migration more beneficial for both sides (which it already largely is, but we could do better).

[–] Mrkawfee 2 points 6 months ago

Also climate change will guarantee a never ending supply of refugees from the "global south'.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's PPP? Price Per Papaya?

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

It means that the same goods and services can cost a lot less in some countries due to various factors.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I prefer price per papaya from now on

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Italy said that planes used by charities to track migrant boats in difficulty would no longer be able to fly from airports on the islands of Sicily, Pantelleria and Lampedusa that are close to the shipping routes.

The decision, announced by the Italian Civil Aviation Authority (ENAC), will make it much harder for non-governmental groups like Sea Watch to use its small planes to scour the central Mediterranean for boats in need of rescue.

In a written ordinance, ENAC said the planes were “unwarranted,” represented a burden for the official rescue teams and risked compromising the safety of undocumented migrants.

Flavio Di Giacomo, a spokesman for the UN’s International Organization for Migration (IOM), said the Italian decision “may hinder life-saving efforts”, and added that his agency was “waiting to understand its actual implementation.”

Since then, her government has made it increasingly difficult for charity ships to operate in the Mediterranean, limiting the number of rescues they can carry out and often forcing them to make huge detours to bring migrants ashore.

She has also worked with the European Union to persuade both Libya and Tunisia to slow the flows, and has signed an unprecedented deal with Albania to build migrant holding centres there.


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[–] Crampon@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Ok check it out.

European migration laws forces these people to conduct this dangerous voyage because you can't get asylum without crossing the border. These operations are stimulating people to set out on the dangerous journey. It's the cobra effect.

Migration laws should allow people to apply for asylum in their respective country without risking their lives on a makeshift raft over ocean. Volunteers searching for these boats off shore are stimulating more trafficking of migrants.

These migrants are transported by people making money of their missery. There is no safety measures or care if they make it or not. It's a machine making money. Not humanitarian intents.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is one of these "maybe true in theory" but counter productive arguments.

Irregular migration has been on the rise for many years and the ratio of success is high enough that people risk it regardless of whether or not there are planes looking for ships in distress.

But there is another reason why the Italian government doesn't want these planes flying: they are unwelcome witnesses to illegal pushback operations that the Italians and Maltese (and Frontex) are doing in cooperation with Libyanese mafia militia.

[–] Affidavit@aussie.zone 0 points 6 months ago

European migration laws forces these people to conduct this dangerous voyage because you can’t get asylum without crossing the border.

Offshore resettlement programs exist in Europe and around the world. The problem is that there exists little incentive for people to remain in a refugee camp for what could be years when the option of travelling directly to their country of choice is an available option.

A solution is for countries to relocate all asylum seekers back to these refugee camps where they have no option but to wait with everyone else for resettlement. There would be no incentive to risk your life to cross a border if you're just going to end up back in a refugee camp along with other people who are waiting.

Currently, in my country at least, there is an onshore humanitarian program and an offshore humanitarian program. Most of the people granted refugee visas in the offshore program are from war-torn countries like Afghanistan or Syria who escaped to a third country. The top five countries of origin for those that apply for onshore protection are from tourist destinations that haven't seen war in decades. Hosting asylum seekers in UN refugee camps also helps prioritise those most in need.

[–] brainrein@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

Freedom of Movement is a Human Right! Everywhere. For everyone. In every direction!

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it -4 points 6 months ago

Oh yes, ENAC forbid people who are breaking the law to operate... what a fascist thing to do.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -5 points 6 months ago

Italy making a good decision for a change? Finally.