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Opinion | I’m a Young Conservative, and I Want My Party to Lead the Fight Against Climate Change (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He doesn't want his party to fight against climate change, he wants to have his cake and eat it, too. The whole article is about coal and oil jobs, thinly veiled threats that anyone who isn't a conservative wants those jobs gone.

You know what?

He's fucking right.

I want those jobs gone. I want a homeless crisis of hundreds of thousands of coal miners without jobs. You know why? Because in 100 years the world will be healthier for future generations. I'm sorry that your job of choice is killing the planet, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the world for your fucking paycheck. Even though the bit about Biden telling miners to learn to code was twisted, I agree with the twisted message, too. Fucking find something better to do with your lives. I really don't give a shit what it is, just fucking do it. Suck it up, sacrifice and learn a new trade, and maybe your grandkids won't die of lung cancer at 45. I'm tired of waiting around for someone to have the stones to take action. I don't really give a shit any more, and if that makes me an asshole, I'll live with it, but fuck, this shit is getting old. If we move towards annihilation at 1mph or 100, it doesn't matter, we'll get there eventually. It's time to stop the ride. The warning signs have been there for decades. Your blessed Grand Ol' Party obscured the facts, and if you want to blame someone for you not having a job when the mine shuts down, blame them. They lied to you and told you that it was a hoax. The democrats just need to rip the bandaid off.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 60 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can't have hundreds of thousands of coal miners without jobs.

There are less than forty thousand employed in the entire coal mining industry.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for the fact check, I didn't bother to look up the numbers. Good looking out.

[–] Dukeofdummies@kbin.social 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know what really irks me though? Even if we didn't go green. Those 40,000 jobs are going to vanish. Coal doesn't grow like trees. That mine will empty one day and it's going to get shut down without warning, without any severance packages, the company is just going to run. There will even still be coal in the mine, it's just no longer cheap enough to mine it.

Historically, that's how it happens. Even in this day and age the moment a better mine opportunity is found, they're gone. They make the town dependent on them, they use the town in every way they can, they donate to the schools and municipal water supply, and then they vanish without warning leaving the town in the lurch. Happens with copper, happens with gas, happens with silver and it happens with coal.

At least the green movement will give you a date, a head start, and at least an iota of sympathy.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In US, more people line up for the employment queue every week simply by turning old enough to work than those 36000 employed in the coal industry. Coal jobs is a total non issue.

3 million children are being born every year. We never hear anyone complaining about that? A lot of them will need to work 2 jobs, so that's 6 million jobs missing every year! The coal jobs is not even one percentage of that.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago

Don't do the math! It makes all their fear-mongering look stupid!

/s

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 10 points 4 months ago

The trick is to reduce demand, not supply. You close mines in US, they will simply open elsewhere.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 57 points 4 months ago

"I'm as useless as a Log Cabin Republican but still want to control women" isn't quite the flex you think it is.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 45 points 4 months ago

If the Republican Party wants to expand its coalition, it will need to recruit young voters with a far more pragmatic message.

That's the thing though, They don't want that. Climate change is a problem that will need to be solved from multiple angles and regulation is going to eventually be a requirement. The current republican party would rather see the world burn than risk making business interests upset.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 27 points 4 months ago

So change parties?

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 26 points 4 months ago

“The human quest for interdependent order and our niche within it represents a profound necessity. The quest can, however, be perverted into a conservative grip on sameness. This has always proved deadly for the entire system.”

—Frank Herbert, Children of Dune (1976)

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Conservatives were once America’s environmental champions. Not that long ago, Republican presidents were carrying out the Clean Air and Water Acts, creating the Environmental Protection Agency, expanding the National Park System and even initiating the country’s most authoritative report on climate change, the National Climate Assessment.

Isn’t that take excluding all of the leftist pressure on them that forced them to propose these half assed compromises?

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well I want the sky to be green instead of blue, but I usually don't waste my time wishing for things that will never happen 🤷

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 4 months ago