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movie-web was just taken down with all its repos, Yuzu was taken down, then suyu forked it on gitlab and was taken down, countless clones of nintendo games, platform emulators, and a bunch of other things are taken down because they are hosted on the clear web.

If you're a dev and planning to write software for piracy, host it on I2P!

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[–] mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.uk 60 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Just don’t use public and free services like GitHub or GitLab. Setup your own webspace with a trusty provider, install Gitea/Forgejo and host the code yourself. It’s that easy!

[–] AzzyDev@beehaw.org 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Not Gitea, they got bought by a for-profit company or something

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago

Ah yes. Forgejo is the current community fork.

[–] mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.uk 8 points 7 months ago

So far nothing bad has happened and the company was founded so they can sell support hours to businesses. Just like lots of other companies behind Open Source projects do it. 🤷‍♂️

[–] refalo@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Why does that matter? The most popular Linux distros are run by for-profit companies.

I'm curious what real-world scenario you're envisioning that is likely to happen soon.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Then they can request the provider to hand out your details just like they can with github, gitlab, codeberg, or whatever.

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[–] mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.uk 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

But they can’t just DMCA it under false premises. GitHub and others just don’t want to risk anything and are pretty quick with taking down repos without checking anything.

Also there are still a few countries that don’t bow before the US-invention that is the DMCA.

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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can't they just DMCA the provider then? To request to disable your account

[–] mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.uk 5 points 7 months ago

DMCA is only valid in the US. Those other countries obeying it are usually just doing it to avoid trouble, but there's no real legal obligation. (But if ignored, it is pretty safe to assume that any bigger company would look into local laws and try to find a different way.) But from what I've heard, hosters don't just close your account because of some DMCA. They will actually look into it and work with you to solve it.

And in the end, you could simply host it on a Raspberry Pi at your home. The ISP can't be held responsible for the data you transfer, so they won't just shut down your Internet connection. And if you get a strongly worded letter from some company, you can send it directly to the recycling bin.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 36 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I remember trying to play with I2P back in the day and it being slow. Now I wouldn't even know how to access it. Is there something I can read or watch that can reintroduce me and teach me the basics?

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago

Seconded. Maybe start the how-to with what it is.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago

https://geti2p.net still exists.

I2P is still slow, but that's because there aren't many nodes. It is faster than a few years ago though. I can get download speeds of 100 KB/s or more. It's like TOR in the early days with mostly private nodes and few hosted nodes. It's easy to get a VPS and host and I2P node for a fiver a month or less.

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[–] impure9435@kbin.run 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also check out Radicle, it's basically decentralized Git. @forgejo@floss.social is also working on a federation solution: @ForgeFed@floss.social (https://forgefed.org/)

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Radicle can still suffer under a DMCA if it's on the clear web. They just have to take down the node(s) hosting the repos, same as github, gitlab, et al. However if radicle works on I2P, that would be... rad 🤑

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[–] impure9435@kbin.run 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago

Wow, that's great! once they have stable support for TOR and I2P, it could become amazing for hosting such projects.

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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! I think it would be a good idea to add a short info blobb directly in your main post tho :)

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

It's not my post so you'd have to ask OP to do that.

[–] B0rax@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sound like the tor network? Or am I missing something?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/tor

Perhaps the main differences are:

  • Unidirectional tunnels instead of bidirectional circuits
  • Fully distributed and self organizing
  • Packet switched instead of circuit switched
  • Tunnels in I2P are short lived
  • i2p puts an emphasis on communicating within the network, whereas Tor puts more emphasis on communicating via the network to outside

Together these provide some additional resilience and protection against traffic analysis compared to Tor, arguably improving security.

[–] B0rax@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] reddthat@reddthat.com 5 points 7 months ago

Torrents over i2p: yes! Torrents over tor: no!

[–] Glass0448@lemmy.today 12 points 7 months ago

Different purposes. Tor was intended so you could access the real web anonymously.

I2p the whole thing is an anonymous web. Everybody is a node. Tracing a packet never ends because you can't be sure you found the origin of the packet. Which only gets worse the longer somebody remains connected to i2p. And it even can handle torrenting, a torrent client is built in.

I2P sadly gets a lot less funding/support.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

The Invisible Internet Project (I2P) is a fully encrypted private network layer. It protects your activity and location.

https://geti2p.net/

Think of it as TOR, but for P2P. (TOR is not for P2P).

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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

I2PD is an implementation is I2P, a way to anonymously share Disney's IP without showing anyone IP to the ISP.

[–] ShadowCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

just skimmed through that link and it seems like it's for self hosting gitlab ? is there an instance on i2p so I don't have to self host (I don't want to) ?

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

There is one, but it's also on the clearweb. Dunno if somebody hosts one purely on the darkweb

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[–] L0wded_@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm stupid, can someone please quickly tell me what I2P is?

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you know TOR, I2P is TOR but with P2P support.

But in general terms, it's anonymization network. Data is sent over multiple hops/nodes and the original source is not included. The nodes are hosted by random people. The downside is that the slowest node in the chain of nodes between the source and the target means that's how slow the entire chain is (at least). So, the more nodes, the better for anonymity, and the faster the nodes are, the better for speed.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A side question : I'm making a similar protocol, anyone knows some space where you discuss stuff like I2P, IPFS etc?

They all have their pros and cons, and I'd like to see if my protocol and its possibilities would interest.

Cheers

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's a good question. Unfortunately, I don't know. IPFS does have a matrix channel where you could ask questions though.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thanks!

I actually went there maybe 6 months ago, but they were (which is totally okay) not interested in my protocol or how it works. I'm probably not very good in selling it either 😞😊.

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