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  • The law requires colleges and universities to get approval before hiring or working with Chinese people who aren’t US citizens or green card holders

  • A legal challenge filed by two graduate students and a professor argues, among other things, that the state law usurps the power of the federal government

Last year, with an eye to curb Chinese influence in the state, Governor Ron DeSantis signed into law a bill requiring state colleges and universities to get government approval before they hire or work with Chinese people who aren’t US citizens or green card holders.

Since then, schools in the state have scrambled to comply. In December, Miami-based Florida International University paused the hiring of Chinese and citizens of six other “countries of concern” also targeted by the law – Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Venezuela – while waiting for the state university system’s board of governors to create a vetting process. ⠀

“Requiring the board of governors’ approval means it is next to impossible to obtain approval,” said Sumi Helal, a professor of computer and information science and engineering at the University of Florida.

Helal said he was “intent on leaving” the school. ⠀

Last year, DeSantis said his anti-Chinese influence efforts provided a “blueprint for other states to do the same”.

And according to political observers in the state, the governor may double down on his education policies. David McDonald, a political science professor at the University of Florida, said that “being an education ‘culture warrior’” was a “perceived strength of his when conservative activists helped push critical race theory and anti-trans rhetoric and policies onto the political agenda”. ⠀

“Our academic community thrives on international collaboration. SB 846 is a malicious and xenophobic bill that directly attacks our community,” said Eva Garcia Ferres, co-president of Graduate Assistants United at the University of Florida.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So they’re using xenophobia to attack education, because xenophobia for its own sake isn’t evil enough.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Have we learned nothing from the past? Discrimination bcz of someone's nationality never ends well for anybody.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 20 points 8 months ago

Ah look, the new McCarthyism, in Florida at least.

Also, nice to see that Cuba needs another punch to the gut.

Think your neighbour might be a communist? Call 555-COMMIE now!

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I work at a university.I won't go into details, but ASIO (Australian national sec) recently gave us a special visit, advising the need to increase caution around new Chinese staff. and students (to put basically and lightly). Seems spying from within education institutions is popular at the moment, but makes sense considering the infrastructure, population of each institute, and the tens of thousands of student visas each year.

However, the meeting was with just a few need-to-know staff (CPO, COO, heads of students, and cybersec) and was basically, "This is happening more and more, so we just need extra vigilance if you can." It was certainly no broadcast to the nation in full details with drastic measures attached.

[–] intelshill@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago

Spying from within public educational institutions feels rather counterintuitive. Chinese students weren't getting security clearance anyway, so the only goal of their research is to be published in publicly viewable journals or conferences. This is a witch hunt.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ah, so that is the tiny nugget of reality they took and twisted for political gain.

Ridiculous to putting this into law, and speaks volumes to the real motives.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yep. International students and academics have been exploited as a gateway—we have an education exxhange with China that makes it easy for both sides to go abroad with little restraint. But we're not going to cut off thousands of students and employees because of one or two isolated incidents that may not even occur again now.

Florida's reaction could be to this...

ASIO director tells Five Eyes intelligence summit that alleged Chinese spy was removed from Australia

From what I know there's been a few other little things and as I said it's increased, enough for them to come to the universities and advise us to just keep an eye out and report unusual stuff.

Florida, on the other hand... Fuckin' drama queen state. We'll take their Chinese students and academics! Much nicer here anyway.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 8 months ago

Pretty sure that this is unconstitutional. States do not have the right to set foreign policy, which this clearly is.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 8 months ago

Good to see the party of small government at it again, not that they ever stopped.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think it is time for China to leech off as much off USA and dispose and dissolve all relations with them, including a cutoff in academia spaces. This should provide a great blueprint for Indians, Koreans, Japanese, Singaporean and other Asian people to follow through, and utterly destroy and make USA a meaningless country.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

US is bad, but China is even worse. I hope they both become weaker and split into smaller countries. Russia too.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, China and Russia must become stronger and USA weaken. One of them has committed 100s of foreign interventions and dozens of genocides.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hell no. China is the worst world governor you could have. Please live in China for two years before saying that out.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I will live in China over USA any day. More safety, no capitalist blood and wallet suckers.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go now? I live in India. I have no wish to live in a 3rd world shithole with a Gucci belt called USA.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Stay in USA and die thanks to White House terrorists lol.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Harvard conducted a study of Chinese sentiment for literally 15 years and found 95.5% approval among Chinese citizens of their national government and communist party.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ask the Chinese why they spent millions for a foreign passport now. Not everyone dares to say the truth when watched by the big brothers. My Chinese friends in the UK won't even comment about politics on their Instagram public posts.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe your Chinese friends are in the ultra-minority. Spare me your anecdotes. Read the Harvard study. 15 years of world-class research doesn't fold to your friends in the UK

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago

One single research and one bible. Yes.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

i bet florida will probably say 'no' back to students and professors, unless they do actual pressure.