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'There will be a civil war': Trump fans rage after Georgia judge orders trial to proceed (www.rawstory.com)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by ZeroCool@slrpnk.net to c/politics@lemmy.world

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Edit: There's a lot of people in the comment section who clearly didn't read the article so let me clarify that no, this is not about Judge Aileen Cannon. Read. The. Damn. Article.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 291 points 5 months ago (10 children)

This is one of the dumbest things about conservatives in the US ...... we're going to start a civil war - for Trump.

I could agree to many political arguments about rebelling against your own government but to say you want to start a civil war to defend a completely morally bankrupt individual that has absolutely no care for you at all has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever had the opportunity to see and hear.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 134 points 5 months ago (5 children)

MAGAs are being swindled and don't know it.

If you tell them they are being swindled, with proof, they won't believe it and take it out on you instead for suggesting it.

They'd rather be ignorant than be proven wrong. This is also why phone/computer scammers keep going after the same people. The victims never want to believe they were duped until it's too late.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 107 points 5 months ago (4 children)

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 61 points 5 months ago

I love that quote. We need more Sagan's and fewer Rogans.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 25 points 5 months ago

Humanity has been victim to that for thousands of years in the form of world religions

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 68 points 5 months ago (4 children)

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"The entrenchment of a person's belief is directly proportional to how wrong it is."

-- Me

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

See, this doesn’t work as a truism because the "wrongness” or immorality is typically just a common coincidence taken advantage of by conmen (like Trump and other demagogues).

It would be more accurate to say, “The enrichment of a person’s belief is often directly proportional to how self-serving it is.”

Christianity provides a good example of this: believe in Jesus, and all of one’s sins are forgiven, basically writing a person a blank check to be a monster for their whole life, knowing that they’ll be forgiven when they die because “Jesus will forgive me.”

This is what my mother believes and why my entire family refuses to ever speak to her again.

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[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They're not being conned, they're in on the con. Notice how there is nothing consistently rational about the messaging. The issues they're concerned about and what they say they want done about them all change daily. But they all point in one direction.

They've identified themselves as the in-group, they've identified the out-groups, and they want to stomp all over those out-groups and take everything they've got. Their money, their dignity, their lives. Whatever proves that they're on top.

Remember the second part of that LBJ quote:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

They know the consequences and they're willing to risk it. Calling them idiots does not prepare us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves now.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago

Sunk cost fallacy is real and MAGA is all in on their shitty investment of tearing the system down, repressive policies and generalized white & hetero supremacy

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 26 points 5 months ago

the dumbest thing I've ever had the opportunity to see and hear.

After fifty years on this planet I can only tell you the bar keeps getting raised, but it's not always the bars we might wish.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

This is what happens when you handle traitors with kid gloves.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Against who?

If it's against the government, then it's a coup d'état.
See how well that's working out for the January 6 crowd.

[–] june@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

And that’s the thing, they don’t want a civil war with the government, they want a civil war with ‘liberals’. They can’t control government the way they want to so they instead want to eliminate the people who vote differently than they do.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 91 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I still can’t believe that all the rural redneck idiots are willing to start a Civil War for a failed corrupt New York City businessman, who represents everything they don’t stand for in the name of creating a fascist dictatorship and stripping away all of your rights so that the rich people can continue to fuck you in the ass.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Most of them think the war will turn the economic tides and somehow turn their rural towns into utopian areas where all the wealth from the cities is funneled into their shitty towns. They want the status and earning of being an engineer, doctor, or lawyer without trying or educating themselves.

What is sad is all conservatives are willing to kill us, our children, and everything we worked for for this ideal and for a corrupt, failed New York businessman that sells military secrets to our enemies.

[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's ironic is that it's the liberal-eating-local-buy-local-equality-socialist types that are are subsidizing their ability to live in that small rural town at all.

County State Aid roads, clean water infrastructure, education, business development grants, farm grants... All of that is paid for by big city taxes, which typically (not always... Looking at you Ft. Worth...) lean liberal. In my state one rural community received tax funding at a rate of 480% compare to what they paid in, where as the city center reviebes about 60% of the taxes they pay.

Farm-to-table? Anti-trust regulations? Farm subsidies? The USDA rural development? All paid for in large part by taxes, most of which come from city centers.

And yet exactly what you said - they want liberal big cities gone. They see them as a plight upon the land.

It's crazy.

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[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

I have Maga relatives, who have giddily spoken to me about finally getting to "blast the damn libs". I'm one of the people they are happily speaking about shooting down. Yeeeeesh

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 80 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No there won't.

Alternate headline: local inbreds big mad

[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They are definitely trying to manifest a war

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[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I agree, their numbers, organization, and ammo reserves are not to be dismissed or underestimated.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 18 points 5 months ago (13 children)

I believe all of those except organization...

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you mean more traitors will go to prison and be removed from the voter pool, neat!

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like they mean to remove themselves from the gene pool as well! I'm all for it

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[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago

Translation: the few nutty enough to put plans to action will commit cowardly terrorist acts that make magats even more detested. Just because fascist asshats couldn't settle for being overrepresented.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago (7 children)

There won't be a civil war unless\until the prospect of a civil war starts to look profitable to the .1%.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Used to agree with that, now it's a maybe. The US elite created the seeds of MAGA and the christian right back in the days of Reagan, and they've fully lost control of it, Trump has at least some measure of control on the group, but I feel it's only because he's pretending to do what they want.

Just as with the actual US revolution, the movement was started by the 1% for their own interests. Which they gaslit and orchestrated for their own gain until they lost control of it.

For the uninitiated: they started riots to pressure lawmakers to not pass a new tax on them, not the working class, and new laws preventing them from defrauding London based banks with what amounts to wire fraud by regular mail by creating shell companies in different colonies, getting loans for exploration and land use, and then closing the "company" and repeating.in a different colony.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I have no doubt gaggles of these goons will start some shit here and there, but a Civil War would mean the US military has either fractured or someone raised a domestic army capable of fighting the US military, which is so crazy I don't even know why I mentioned it.

You have to remember the 'state-of-the-art' of war in 1861 was that men, munitions, and information moved at the maximum speed of a train, but more likely horse. And the distance between the most technologically advanced weapons available and a farmer's rifle was within an order of magnitude of technological progress. Today the distance between civilian and military communications, field intelligence, and weaponry might as well be to another star system. And before anyone references past insurgent success against modern US military- they didn't get their weapons at WalMart- they're supplied by other national militaries. A Civil War starting with a civilian uprisings just isn't a military possibility.

And I really don't see any scenario by which the US military starts fighting itself. I'd be curious what scenarios others think might lead to that but I just don't see anything on the table that could make a US military commander accept an order to attack other US military assets. I think something like a military coup would be far more likely than a civil war at this point.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 47 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It must be Friday, because MAGA is threatening civil war but they're sitting down. Do it or shut the fuck up, cowards.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They are all pussies. PBR drinking, fox "news" watching red faced fat asses. I hope they do attempt a "civil" war. The world will be a better place without them and they'll be curb stomped in about .3 seconds.

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[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Boy it sure says an awful lot about Maga that they are going to go to war for a swollen pustule like Humpty Trumpty. If it's a movement, wouldn't it transcend a single individual? What a weak group of simpletons.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman."

---Unite the Right organizer and general alt right fuckbucket Baked Alaska upon being sentenced for his participation in the 01/06 riots

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

Well, we're waiting MAGA boys. Go for it.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

The Trumpist insurrection ends one of only two ways for the Trumpists.

They end up in prison.
They end up dead.

See January 6, 2021.

[–] Blackmist 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

"There will be a civil war!" - Somebody definitely not prepared to fight in any kind of war.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The thing I worry about is how much more angry some Americans will become as AI starts to really eat up the jobs. The radicalized far right wing has already painted Big Tech as somehow liberal/leftist (lol) because they are being "censored" on platforms like pre-Xitter Twitter or Facebook.

Imagine how they'll react when it becomes obvious that "Big Tech" has come/is coming for their jobs. I fear people that were unradicalized before may suddenly be thrown into despair with lots of time on their hands, and the usual suspects giving them easy "answers" as to the cause. You just know that DEI, "woke", and Biden's hard drive, oops, I mean, "laptop" will be the kinds of things blamed for it.

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[–] Tinsfur@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (7 children)

If or when some crazy yahoos “declare” a civil war. All those toy soldiers aka weekend warriors. You know the type who own 300 guns lives in a bomb shelter and has been praying for the world to end since 1979. Those folks with have to contend with not you or me per say. The will contend with the United States Military. The tuffest military and the most trained, and frankly who has the best toys in the world for killing people. Our military is well versed in urban and rural fighting techniques. Did i mention the also own a bunch of drones. Yeah im not to worried

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

If they organize, they won't even make it to the military, they will be quickly stopped by our militarized police force. I fear that this is going to end up with crazy people commiting random acts of terrorism.

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[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think it's important to remember how many civilians we killed in Iraq trying to get the bad ones. Yes, the US military would put down an insurrection... I don't know know how fast it would be, and I don't know that they wouldn't kill my kids when they drone strike the guy down the street...

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do they actually think the military will join them?

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[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Civil War? Sounds serious.

So when are democrats dropping gun control?

SocialistRA.org

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

gun control is too politicized of a term to be used specifically. It can range from "taking away all guns ever, completely, forever" to "hey maybe don't give violent offenders guns probably" Which is a uh variety of opinions that one can have.

Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc... Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended.

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

One of the saddest parts for his followers is they think they are getting that strong man that's going to clean up all that is wrong in their books and make it like some rose colored memory of how good things use to be before the world become too complicated for them to handle.

Trump isn't coming in to do that kind of hard work, he's doing it for the title, prestige, and the fact he "deserves" to be president, he should be president because he's special.

Not to say it's all about his ego which it is, but it's also pretty handy in his mind to help deal with his mounting legal issues while slow to play out but they are piling up like Everest.

It's unfortunate most won't recognize the need for a leader to do the hard work of a true servant leader. It's been a long time since we've seen one of those. Many will argue we've seen that in Carter and even perhaps despite his advancing years a little in Biden but most people have been turned against such presidents with soft skills willing to do the hardwork.

They seem to want those with a finger on the button ready to blow up anyone that dares challenge the US. That's another area Trump supporters will be let down in when it comes to Russia...

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