Everyone should be okay with being unproductive and lazy as it is our default state. Capitalists have tricked us into thinking we have to be productive so they can exploit that productivity for profit. Lying in bed all day and eating snacks is praxis.

[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I love chilling out and being lazy, but I don't think I totally agree: I don't think work is inherently bad. It's bad under capitalism because we're exploited and alienated, but under communism I think it will actually be fulfilling and meaningful.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I'm not anti-work either.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Idk, my depression gets a lot worse when I just veg. I'm not saying be productive for your capitalist overloads, but being productive for myself is really important. Reading, learning, helping people, building things, all make me happy to live my life.

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think this is just me using the word "productive" literally and others using it to mean...something else? Idk I'm autistic and it's hard to communicate sometimes. Lying in bed and reading a book is not typically what someone means when they say "be productive" in my own experience. In fact, I've been called lazy for doing that exact thing many, many times.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The dictionary definition is actually quite positive, in contrast to what you and I'm sure many people associate with it. According to Cambridge, "resulting in or providing a large amount or supply of something" or "having positive results". If that's applied to your passions and goals, then I think that's not a bad aspiration.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, productivity isn't bad per se; doing it for yourself and maybe for others is the best way, I feel.

Doing it for capitalism or for alienating work? Nah.

Work is... good. Your labor is good. But under capitalism, we're alienated from our labor.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

So. Much. This.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

nah having goals and dreams and working to accomplish them is good actually

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is that what being productive means?

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

yeah true it isn't really a term I like due to its heavy capitalist-striver-burnout-culture connotations

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, which is why I said that it's fine to be unproductive and lazy. Because associating productivity with having goals and being fucking happy is capitalist propaganda.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Oh true

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that's what we're trying to avoid.

I'm not anti-work. I'm just not.

I believe that one should be in tune and un-alienated from their own labor.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Steal the word back.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.

Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/03/01.htm

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

nah, that just isn't true. allowing your body to regenerate and being lazy are of course just things human beings need to do, and there's obviously nothing wrong with using substances to help with that, but doing nothing but being high and lazy as your default state just numbs you to the state of the world, which is exactly the opposite of what being a communist is all about really.

[–] ta00000@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Everyone deserves a few lying in bed all day days a month just because that's a pleasure we're entitled to as people. I've found even that can be "productive" when it's purposeful rest and relaxation. Finding yourself getting out of bed at 1pm (or whatever time that is relative to your schedule) just because you can't stand the taste of your own breath anymore probably isn't that.

Breakneck speed and efficiency in anything can cause the same tunnel vision driving does https://www.emesa-m30.com/tunnel-effect-car/