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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, I'll tell you.

I'm living in a medium density condo building with 25% of it dedicated to social housing. In an area where I have everything I need within a 10-30 minute walk. Living right next to a subway line and several bus lines that can take me to all the key areas in my city, which I use everyday, in addition to biking. I recycle anything that's recyclable. Compost everything that's compostable. Buy my groceries from a local green grocer and buy everything I can buy in bulk using reusable containers. I repair my stuff as much as I can even if it costs more than a brand new one. Buy a lot of used products, such as electronics to minimize e-waste. Speaking of which, I bring any other waste to my borough's eco center.

I think I'm doing my part, wouldn't you say?

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that no. That is minimizing impact, and in my opinion, the absolute bare minimum every single human should be doing with no excuses.

I would also say look in to recycling a little deeper and add that to the negative side of your impact because most "recycled" items end up in land fills. I would also ask why you do not walk more. I would also ask why you aren't adding green space and growing food on your balcony. I would ask why you aren't helping with community gardens instead of shopping essentially nullifying your food foot print with produce. I would ask why you don't go for a hike and forage the massive amount of foods found for free in a park.

I would ask why you need all the electronics you have in the first place, or if you know how much brought to an eco center winds up in a land fill.

I would not say you are even scratching the surface of "doing your part" because we have not even touched on everything and then we have to get to promoting the behavior to other humans.

The point is waiting around for others to do things is what will lead to extinction level events. Do it on your own and hope everyone starts following or doing better so you can do better.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your expectations are unrealistic and completely ridiculous.

How my domestic recycling waste and e-waste ends up in landfills is not my responsibility. My municipality put in place a recyling program and my responsibilities stop at sorting my waste accordingly so it can be recycled. Even if I do my best to minimize waste, there is still going to be some. After that, its the responsibilities of the government and the companies they hire behind the programs to do their job.

You want me to walk more?? I'm already walking everywhere except to work, which I go to by subway. I barely ever even use the bus becaue I rarely ever have to leave my neighborhood. My job's office is 2 hours away by foot. You think I'm going to lose 2 hours of sleep to walk to work with my heavy backpack with my work laptop and shit? Get real.

We're already growing food on our 1.5m x 3m balcomy. But the sunlight is too strong and it burns our plants and barely grow anything. And we're not going to survive on 5 green bean pods, 2 eggplants, 4 tomates and 3 strawberries and a handful of herbs. The neighborhood community garden is already full and we couldn't get a spot this year. And that still wouldn't be enough to feed ourselves over the summer. And what are we supposed to do in the winter? Turn our living room into a garden while we're at it? Fuck it. Turn our whole condo unit into a greenhouse and sleep in the dirt?

You know, when you walk into any kind of store, even grocery stores, you look at all the shit they sell and how much of it is wrapped in plastic for no reason, that's the company's responsibility to stop using plastics to wrap everyting. It ain't my fucking fault if the only available lettuce where I live is wrapped in plastic. It ain't my fault if the company that made my clothes use sysnthetic fibers that add microplastics to the environment. It ain't my fault if the pair of scissors I bought from a local brand was actually made in some manufacture in South Asia and was shipped here by container cargo boat.

I do my best to avoid all this shit, but in the end, companies have a fucking responsibility. I'm doing my fucking part. Now it's up to them to do theirs. Especially when they're the ones responsible for the vast majority of the world pollution and greenhouse gasses.

You need to change your perspective.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How my domestic recycling waste and e-waste ends up in landfills is not my responsibility. My municipality put in place a recyling program and my responsibilities stop at sorting my waste accordingly so it can be recycled. Even if I do my best to minimize waste, there is still going to be some. After that, its the responsibilities of the government and the companies they hire behind the programs to do their job.

It is your responsibility. 100% your responsibility. Just like everyone else.

If you think "I am doing my part by using broken systems that literally makes the problem worse" is a solid argument maybe you need the perspective shift here.

You want me to walk more?? I’m already walking everywhere except to work, which I go to by subway. I barely ever even use the bus becaue I rarely ever have to leave my neighborhood. My job’s office is 2 hours away by foot. You think I’m going to lose 2 hours of sleep to walk to work with my heavy backpack with my work laptop and shit? Get real

You can justify laziness all you want. I walk to work 2 hours every day back and forth. I also lose no sleep because I schedule my time well. I still have 6 hours every work day for anything else I want as well.

I got real. Real damn good at scheduling my time.

We’re already growing food on our 1.5m x 3m balcomy. But the sunlight is too strong and it burns our plants and barely grow anything. And we’re not going to survive on 5 green bean pods, 2 eggplants, 4 tomates and 3 strawberries and a handful of herbs. The neighborhood community garden is already full and we couldn’t get a spot this year. And that still wouldn’t be enough to feed ourselves over the summer. And what are we supposed to do in the winter? Turn our living room into a garden while we’re at it? Fuck it. Turn our whole condo unit into a greenhouse and sleep in the dirt?

This kind of hyperbolic straw man building is helpful to no one. Honestly, what point are you trying to make here?

I assure you food will be a lot more scarce and life a whole lot harder if you and everyone else holding this attitude keeps doing so.

You know, when you walk into any kind of store, even grocery stores, you look at all the shit they sell and how much of it is wrapped in plastic for no reason, that’s the company’s responsibility to stop using plastics to wrap everyting. It ain’t my fucking fault if the only available lettuce where I live is wrapped in plastic. It ain’t my fault if the company that made my clothes use sysnthetic fibers that add microplastics to the environment. It ain’t my fault if the pair of scissors I bought from a local brand was actually made in some manufacture in South Asia and was shipped here by container cargo boat.

Your fault you bought it. You are the consumer and by the sounds of it you believe you are not responsible for what you choose to consume. Not sure how you manage to rationalize that one but I won't pretend like you aren't clearly a huge part of the problem based on what you have said to me so far.

I do my best to avoid all this shit, but in the end, companies have a fucking responsibility. I’m doing my fucking part. Now it’s up to them to do theirs. Especially when they’re the ones responsible for the vast majority of the world pollution and greenhouse gasses.

I am really tired of this narrative. The companies can only exist if you and others support them. They are not autonomous beings who can live independent of anything else. Even if legally speaking some countries consider corporations "people", they aren't actually people. It is interesting how that narrative informs your opinion though eh?

You need to change your perspective.

I have. Take any longer to play catch up and you are going to bore me into no longer responding.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a bunch of bullshit it's our responsibility to what? We recycle stuff they throw it int the landfill what are we supposed to do about that. Ok what is your solution to recycling being a scam? What do you do with your electronics, plastics whatever? How do you get out of the broken system I'd like to know and so would others so we could better the planet. The other thing is even though you do all this it isn't making one bit of difference in the world, and if everyone did this it still wouldn't make one bit of difference cause the companies doint 80+ percent of the pollution would still do it and nothing would change.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Keep crying about companies, I will keep doing what I am doing. Meet back in a year and we can see who is happier at the end of it. Deal?