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I get you don't think you were engaging in self-promotion by publicly talking up your community within their community, but you actually were, and it's explicitly against their rules. And yes, as a mod of this community, it is your community, as it is for anyone involved in this community who has an interest in driving traffic to it
Let's agree to disagree!
It'd be better if you accepted you broke that community's rules and the mod was justified in removing your comment rather than complaining about it and putting them on blast so publicly
Hmmm. I feel like you may be a bit harsh here. I agree that the mod is free to do what they want, and generally don’t think community diversity is bad (though I lean toward some form of consolidation around this kind of community, or at least better organisation).
But for a nascent and small platform like the fediverse, talking about how we organise ourselves is almost always a fair topic of conversation IMO, for the simple reason that self-organisation is exactly what the fediverse is about, how it was made and how it will thrive.
And was it really against the rules? “Self promotion”? The suggestion was for a merger with a community where I’m not sure Blaze had anything personal to gain. So not promotion or for themselves?
I can’t shake the feeling that this is all very Reddit thinking, that makes more sense at their scale and with the more rabid behaviour and territorialism you’d get there. There, shutting down conversations like this makes sense as an immune response against potentially toxic bad faith actors. Plus, the number of users there is such that community building is easier.
But here? That might be an auto-immune disorder. People take ownership on the fediverse and have the opportunity to think about how things should be and even make that happen (beyond just starting a new community that is). Letting that all play out in conversations seems fundamental, and removing comments or banning users for trying to have organisational conversations may just be anti-fediverse as much as it might seem like reasonable community moderation, at least if we’re still doing things the Reddit way.
Ideally, perhaps, there’d be a good meta-community community for people to talk about these things without moderation concerns being triggered.
I appreciate your feedback, but disagree I'm the one being harsh. I think OP complaining about another community not being interested in merging with theirs and naming/shaming them is in poor taste.
Interesting. I can see the name and shame part, but my read, at least initially, was that it’s about having the discussion despite the other mod not allowing it (thus most of my comments).
Otherwise, I personally don’t mind surfacing mod “drama” here and there as it at least keeps that sort of thing in the open somewhat.
Who are they trying to have a discussion with? The users of the community whose mod already told them they weren't interested? If I were that mod I'd've deleted their comment too
I think it's fair to presume a decent amount of overlapping users, especially given how many use the All feed.
Sure, so why not advocate in this community for combining the two, rather than targeting the users in that other community and complaining about the mod in that other community?
Well, I can't speak for Blaze or the other mods at all ... but this community (or at least Blaze and kinda myself) has already done the merging thing, and at that time it started with a conversation with the other mod. As this community has gone through that before, it makes sense that the idea is reasonable to (at least) the mods here, while the other community might be alien to the notion.
Beyond that, part of the motivation is to get more communities off of lemmy.world, which is an ideal felt pretty widely, if not universally, around lemmy/threadiverse ... so the suggestion was always to get them to merge with here (where, again, we've done the same before, forgoing this community to merge with another). So yea, talking about it here could have made sense (which is what this post is also about TBF, but also like I said, some neutral space for such discussions probably also makes sense), but I don't think talking about it there is a bad idea at all, rather I think it made sense, where, again, I just struggle with the notion that mods on lemmy are competitively trying to poach users from each other.
Thanks, well put.
!fedigrow@lemm.ee could be it
Probably ... I'm personally not subbed to fedigrow and that would be the problem, that most aren't either (which is fine, many are happy to just use the platform).
Perhaps something more dedicated to community discovery and recommendation instead? Basically like the "new communities" community, but more general.
Then I guess we should just promote !newcommunities@lemmy.world more.
Maybe, yea ... I don't know if the mods there would be happy for it to become a general community discussion/promotion space ... but I've thought from the beginning that that was coming as a natural evolution anyway. There should at least be a sibling community for discussing communities (though perhaps on a more neutral instance given that lemmy-world have banned some communities AFAIU?)
I posted there in the past following the !moviesandtv@lemm.ee drama, including links go the modlog and everything, the mods let the post untouched:
https://reddthat.com/post/12944886?scrollToComments=true
We can always give it a try and move if needed.
This community has been created to avoid overcentralization of Lemmy.world.
Also, if the LW community was actively managed I wouldn't mind (I regularly post to !avatar@lemmy.world, !lego@lemmy.world, !comicbooks@lemmy.world which are on LW), but they still don't have
Consolidation of communities is an issue that is regularly brought up on Lemmy, so that's what this whole suggestion was trying to address.
I wanted to stop there but if you want to give it another go, sure.
First of all, there has been "self promotion" about this community on !movies@lemmy.world in the past:
I had a few discussions via DM with the main mod in the past, all went well as you can see above.
Also, he didn't add the reason of his removal as "self promotion", but as "Not currently considering this action". He didn't even mention breaking any rule.
I would have rather preferred having discussed that over DMs, but he never replied to my first.
Also, aren't modlogs public for a reason, to keep moderators accountable for their decisions?
Your effort to conglomerate all communities under your banner is basically the antithesis of the federated model, and even if it was not considered self promotion, I can see clearly why it was considered overtly hostile and removed.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It's just centralization of power.
So we should just let LW moderators be powermods instead? Who centralizes power, a few mods in this community, or LW who conglomerate the very large majority of active communities under their banner? https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
Edit: the new mod is also a mod of !gaming@lemmy.world, !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world, !news@lemmy.world, !politicalmemes@lemmy.world, and !iowa@lemmy.world: https://lemmy.world/u/JonsJava
But I guess I am the power mod?
My brother in Christ, you are literally trying to power broker on federated social media.
Just pointing out when people centralize and abuse their power. As you said, we left Reddit for a reason.