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Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[–] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

inb4 he reluctantly admits azov is just out-and-out fash, but then immediately shifts goalpost to "ok but there's a big fash problem in the russian army too, you know" (aka the 'my dad')

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I understand not supporting Ukraine due to it for example banning leftist opposition parties, removing rights for minority languages, fascists in the military etc. But I also see a lot of people actively cheering on and supporting Russia which I dont understand. Is a reactionary dictatorship really preferred to neoliberalism?

I also understand its horrible that the west is using the Ukrainian people as a meat grinder to occupy and weaken Russia, but would a Russian invasion and russification be much better?

I feel like we need to be better than just contrarian, though I cant honestly decide which is best or least worse.

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Is a reactionary dictatorship really preferred to neoliberalism

Ukraine is a fascist neo nazi dictatorship, russia is preferred.

We're communists here, heres how marx viewed inter bourgeoisie conflicts

'In that house one never hesitated to take a stand against the conflicts in which one could recognize "the different fractions of the bourgeoisie." Neutrality was abhorred. [...] Marx hunted neutral souls to the gates of hell'

(machine translated) from "Gespräche mit Marx und Engels", section writte by Charles Longuet, Marx's son in law

Most people here consider russia to be the lesser of two evils, since it generally does not fill itself with nazi iconography, does not ally with the united states, and does not persecute national minorities to any extent like ukraine does

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Denying the existence Ukrainian language or culture sounds like persecution to me. Like I absolutely agree Ukraine is an awful country, but Im not convinced Russia is better.

As far as I understand the Nazis are in the military of Ukraine, not the actual government. Though banning Hungarian and Russian in schools iirc is something a nazi could do... Do you have any sources I could read up on?