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[–] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Long term political stability in the region might be complex. Opposing genocide shouldn't be.

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This, but kinda. (Rant incoming, i’m not disagreeing with you tho, and don’t think I’m accusing you of doing this, you aren’t)

Long term stability is complex in the sense that it is a long term plan.

But in the short term, you can make simpler decisions to put yourself on the path towards long term stability. Once you get on that path you could be solving some smaller complexities that made it so hard in the past.

This isn’t saying achieving peace is easy. There will be some hard things that must be done, and those difficult things will certainly have complexity, but saying long term peace itself is complex is actually a way to make doing things now difficult

There’s this one technique used by propagandists and talking heads to make taking action hard, and it’s got a few names, notably complexity trolling or nuance trolling. Essentially the goal is to set the bar for current action high enough that it becomes almost impossible to surpass, or to make it hard to commentate on it, or to make it painful for activists to do activism because each time they try, some cunt on fox news says “You see, you can’t solve climate change with sloganeering. It is too complicated.”

Another thing that happens is when you see a simple step towards achieving peace, you see people inject complexity/nuance into it to make the discussion suddenly super complex and convoluted. This serves to make current action hard to do, and continue the status quo. This serves to make activists look silly, and make inaction the only action an average person can take.

This isn’t to say the conflicts or the solutions as a whole are simple. But if you let complexities of a long term vision constantly be injected into the steps to take now, you end up putting the cart before the horse.

[–] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

if you let complexities of a long term vision constantly be injected into the steps to take now, you end up putting the cart before the horse.

This exactly. Honestly at this moment I don't really give a shit about long term stability as long as a genocide is happening, but we keep seeing that thrown out as a reason to ignore genocide.

(Not to mention the arguments of if it's technically genocide or "just" ethnic cleansing. That's a problem for the international courts, all that matters now is that whatever it is, it's too damn close to genocide to be acceptable.)