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[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The point is that Proton, a company that sells privacy, violated that trust, apparently without much of a fight.

The Spanish police didn’t even allege that the person is a terrorist.

I think we’re done here. We’re not even speaking the same language.

Have a nice life.

[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@CaptObvious @Mikufan if the user practiced proper opsec it wouldn’t be an issue. Proton provides privacy not anonymity. Those are 2 different things. The second requires opsec in the users end.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@CaptObvious Proton never claims to provide anonymity though. They even state that it depends on proper opsec. It was the user fault for proving an email as a recovery that led to a more “willing” company that gave his data to police. If they had never done that, it would be a different situation.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anonymity is an aspect of privacy. Arguably, it is even expected. Proton pat themselves on the back about privacy without being honest about what that includes. They even have a blog post victim-blaming when their "privacy" marketing is shown to be false.

Admittedly, I don't like Proton. They were far too quick to try to jump in bed with the Chinese Communist Party when Google was kicked out. It left a bad taste. I've seen absolutely nothing in the years since to make me question that position.

[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@CaptObvious@literature.cafeanonymity can definitely be an aspect of privacy but privacy ≠ anonymity. Proton explicitly states this. They arnt going to disobey law, which they also state. I don’t see what the issue is here? They obeyed the law and the user made a mistake on there end. Proton didn’t do anything wrong or tricky

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For the second time conversing with a Proton apologist, we will simply have to agree to disagree.

[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@CaptObvious fair enough. What email provider do you use? Just curious :)

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fair question. For everyday, run-of-the-mill, don't-care-who-sees-it, a postcard is fine; I have a Gmail account for those. For anything more sensitive, I have a couple of Tuta accounts. If it's truly confidential, I prefer to just say it in person.

[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@CaptObvious that’s a valid setup. I was thinking about tuta but no pgp :)

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that’s one of the complaints I have about them. Of course, if I need PGP, I prefer to encrypt an attachment myself offline and just send that, so it’s not a dealbreaker in my case.

Out of curiosity, and if you don’t mind my asking, which provider do you use?

[–] Diamond_AaronXG@mstdn.party 1 points 6 months ago

@CaptObvious I currently use proton as my main provider. I still have a gmail and iCloud as well as some accounts haven’t been transferred over yet, but those pretty much just get used for 2fa codes until I switch them