I'm just saying, it didn't seem like anyone was arguing that humans were special, just that consciousness may be non-local. Many quantum processes are, and we still haven't ruled out the possibility of Quantum phenomena happening in the brain.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because flatworm neurons can be exactly modeled without adding anything extra.

It's like if you said, "And we know a falling ball isn't caused by radiation because?" If you can model a ball dropping in a vacuum without adding any extra variables to your equations, why claim something extra? It doesn't mean radiation couldn't affect a falling ball. But adding radiation isn't needed to explain a falling ball.

The neurons in a flatworm can be modeled without adding quantum effects. So why bother adding in other effects?

And a minor correction, "non local" means faster than light. Quantum effects do not allow faster than light information transfer. Consciousness by definition is information. So even if quantum processes affected neurons macroscopically, there still couldn't be non local consciousness.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We already have seen "non-local" Quantum Effects though - https://today.ucsd.edu/story/quantum-material-mimics-non-local-brain-function

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"that electrical stimuli passed between neighboring electrodes can also affect non-neighboring electrodes. Known as non-locality, this discovery is a crucial milestone"

That's not quantum non locality. The journalist didn't know how to interpret the actual data.

"Quantum nonlocality does not allow for faster-than-light communication,[6] "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_nonlocality

Quantum non locality is like taking two playing cards, sealing them in envelopes, mailing one to your friend across the country and then asking him to open it. You will know faster than light which card is in your envelope. But that doesn't allow information transfer.