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Why do all those US universities have dealings with Israel? (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by marcos@lemmy.world to c/outoftheloop@lemmy.world

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All those student protests on the US seem to be about stopping their universities from supporting the Israel government. But supporting a foreign government is not a normal thing for a university to do, why do they do it?

Is there some educational or research resource they get?

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[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think we would need stats before making that first conclusion. I've seen a lot of favorability polls of Israel amongst Jewish people, but not sure I've ever seen an explicit ask for Zionism or its definition. I'm sure it's out there, but I wouldn't expect the OP to take that for granted without a source.

Your second sentence is arguably correct, but lacking a lot of context and really not presented from a neutral standpoint like the other commentor and I were trying to strike. I think when people are looking for raw information, it's fair to provide that with as little bias as possible, especially on a heated current issue. And fwiw, I likely agree with you on that issue.

[–] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm Jewish so this isn't a new issue to me. Zionism is viewed as a fascist ideology by a lot of Jews, there for I think its unneutral to say afluent Jews are why universities are invested in Israel. I'm being as neutral as possible, these are the facts as I know them and I wouldn't trust an poll on this matter done now, personally. The fact that Israel was formed by America after ww2 and has been used as a political and military base for America since. Wikipedia has multiple articles on it.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

All kinds of ideologies are viewed as fascism by all kinds of people, but that's not a source. Just because you yourself are Jewish does not mean you have an understanding of Jewish people as a whole. If you want to assert something about Jewish views on Zionism, you need to provide a real source. It also doesn't tie directly to your followup with "affluent Jews are why universities are invested in Israel". Why would one follow the other at all?

I also know what Israel is and how it was founded. Your wording this time is much more palatable! "Puppet state" has connotations that I agree with, but would not say if I was trying to be neutral. On a different thread, I think that's entirely fair. Again though, when people ask for raw info, I think it's only fair to provide that from as neutral a standpoint as possible.