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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Man, the absolutist crowd is out in force today.

  • I don’t “support” Biden, but there is a 100% chance I will be voting for him in November, simply due to the vagaries of the American electoral system.
  • not voting for Biden is leaning in to the electoral system being intentionally skewed to the right through various sketchy tactics
  • not combating that rightward skew will likely lead to Trump winning the election
  • trump winning the election will likely lead to Trump doing something absolutely heinous in naked support of Israel’s genocidal actions, like carpet bombing parts of Gaza with a few squadrons of B-52s like it was the Vietnam War (amongst a shitload of other terrible things both related to Israel and not)

As always, context kinda fucking matters a lot.

Edit: all that said: I’m pretty sure the downvotes are due to how dismissive you are being of “poor college students”

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let me ask you a hypothetical, given the choice between continuing to ship weapons to Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry, no, that’s an absolutely idiotically framed question, to the extent that I’m quite confident you’re just trying to push agitprop.

To be clear:

  • Biden winning might eventually decrease or cut off weapon shipments to Israel, because though it’s often glacial, Biden DOES sometimes react to public sentiment (though often it’s politically delayed/timed, which is infuriating for people waiting for The Appointed Time where the announcement of some policy will have the greatest political impact)
  • Trump winning will likely mean that the USAF may be ordered to just help Israel carpet bomb Gaza into dust with a few squadrons of B-52s.

You’re presenting a dichotomy where there is none.

Edit:

Ok, let’s try this another way: which of the two presidential candidates that are advancing to the general election do you believe will actually stop shipping weapons to Israel, or at least has the possibility of being convinced of stopping the shipments?

I’ll give you a hint: it’s not Trump.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm presenting a purely hypothetical choice. In a purely hypothetical situation where that choice is put in front of you what would you choose?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yup, as I said in another comment:

There are two viable candidates, Biden and Trump. Taking votes away from Biden only helps Trump. So not voting, voting Stein, Kennedy, West, all of that only helps Trump.

Helping Trump is supporting:

  1. A wanna be dictator:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

  1. Project 2025:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

  1. War with Mexico:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

  1. Soviet style imprisoning of political enemies:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck

  1. Wiping out Gaza "fast":

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

  1. Surrendering Ukraine to Russia:

https://visitukraine.today/blog/3712/trumps-peace-plan-is-to-surrender-crimea-and-donbas-to-russia-wp-reveals-details

  1. Abandoning allies in Europe:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nato-presidential-election-congress-republicans-20e902788e8701999ce0424f73d478cc

So, yeah, when the alternative is maximizing negative impact, the only voting solution is to vote for the one person who can defeat that agenda... and that's Biden.