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I am firmly convinced people don't realise how good Stargate is, because there's so much of it, that few have the time to watch all of it and realise how good it is.
How long does it take before it gets good? This might upset fans like you, but I'm having a hard time getting into it, to the point that I have my doubts if it's worth it. Before you're asking what I'm doing here, this was randomly in my feed and I only noticed that this was a Stargate community after having written most of my comment.
I caught some of it when it aired for the first time and was thoroughly unimpressed of it compared to TNG (I'm not a Trekkie either, more of a casual viewer of Star Trek). Then I tried watching it again a few years ago. It left such a terrible impression on me that I had forgotten all about even making the attempt until I tried again recently and noticed after a few absolutely awful episodes that they seemed awfully familiar. The previous attempt had left such a bad impression that I had essentially purged all memories of it. I didn't even know this was possible.
I want to like it (I actually liked the first episode a lot), but the writing is just so bad and everything, apart from some of the CG (which holds up quite well) and the solid acting feels cheap and poorly thought out. The mystery and intrigue gets overshadowed by sexism, jingoism, characters that can be summed up on a postage stamp and plots and scenes that are contrived and clumsy. I'm sure they'll flesh the characters out more over time, but do they ever solve how the female token character is being treated? Does it ever stop feeling cheap and schlocky?
I think if youve watched some episodes in s1 (which it sounds like you have) feel free to skip to s3 or 4. The story becomes a lot more focused and they find their groove more. After that it just keeps getting better. :)
Although around season 7 or 8 the story and pacing did became a bit stagnant as they rounded up several plotlines and it felt a bit as if the writers didn't quite know where to take the show from there.
If I remember correctly, the last few seasons were each written in a way that they could be the last season because there was uncertainty about renewals. So more like the writers often weren’t sure if they were going to be taking the show anywhere at all.
Sounds like they're solidly in mid-late s1 or early s2 to me.
The early seasons are not my favorite and when I watched with my wife for her first time we skipped a lot of episodes that I feel aren't necessary for the rest of the show.
Like most shows that were in the early stages of "hey let's make a show with continuity that doesn't just reset to 0 at the end" they were doing a lot of bottle episodes, and really wanted to try and curb the viewers expectations with some episodes. It's a product of its time. Men dominated action roles and women were sidekicks at best, usually arm candy plot devices.
So I understand why they wanted an episode like Emancipation but dear god does it feel like beating a dead horse by the end of the episode to me. We get it. Sam is a woman with reproductive bits on the inside, but she can hold her own. You have shown us this many times. Why do you insist on both showing and telling us over and over and over. Sam kicks ass on her own, it doesn't need to feel forced.
I love the show but dear God is it hard to get through the first two seasons nowadays.
Given that most of this happens early on I always saw it as a somewhat heavy-handed approach to make it unequivocally clear to the machos in the potential audience that they aren't welcome to the fandom. I mean have you met the patriarchally inclined? They aren't the brightest bunch. Reading between the lines is hard for them...
Very well could be. If I were making a show i could see myself doing that. "Hey you guys who typically like shows like this for X reason? This isn't for you. If you don't like it go find your corner of the internet to whine with other losers" that way we don't have that "The Boys" moment several seasons in where it finally clicks and they go "hey they're making fun of us!"
They're also the kind of people who whine about modern star trek being "too political". Take your pick as to whether it's because women are everywhere, people can be gay/bi/other, or even gasp black.
Subtlety is basically invisibility to them, and clearly even heavy-handed metaphors that wouldn't confuse my 2 year old nephew leave them stumped.
I'd love to talk to the writers/director to see what their thought processes were when making it, or watching an interview. I love seeing behind the scenes stuff on controversial episodes, whether I liked the episode or hated it. And I just love BTS for Stargate in general.
Shatner himself is one of those douchebros. I still can't believe that idiot tried to pretend that TOS wasn't political....