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Correction: "I'm voting for Biden to make sure the things that are happening right now continue to get slowly better, instead of getting immediately and significantly worse."
Can't recall there being an active genocide going on with the full throated support of the US government when Biden got into office.
Are you trying to suggest trump will be better in that regard?
Don't you remember when Trump imposed sanctions against China because of the Uyghur genocide?
No?
Me neither.
I think most reasonable accounts of the violence at the southern border (which has escalated again under Biden) would be considered a genocide
I mean there was it was just not noticed by liberals
when hasn't the USG been supporting a genocide or three?
lol looking at the last couple weeks all I see is a crackdown on supposed "open society" in order to combat anti-zionism while the war machine rattles on abroad.
stabbing the blood back in
The things that are happening right now are happening under biden though... why do you think it would get better when he has initiated the worsening?
I guess I should clarify that I'm not naive enough to think that this all started under Biden because history has inertia. Biden, having been VP before president and a Senator for many years before that certainly had an outsized contribution to the things that are happening now. The things that are in motion now are not going to be solved by Biden or Trump or really any of the entrenched political class in the west and pretending they are is just fooling yourself. They are too ideologically poisoned and are busy self destructing.
Show these people a picture of border patrol on horseback whipping black migrants and 99% they'll tell you it was under trump
There's no way to hold their beliefs without being divorced from reality
This is potentially one of the greatest exaggerations of all time.
Please explore places other than your little conservative bubble, you might actually find the real world out there somewhere.
No no no, Hexbear isn't pretending to be conservatives, they're pretending to be communists.
Pretending to be communists, but sure repeating a lot of conservative propaganda
Biden is slowly worse, Trump is quickly worse. Liberalism is not about moving leftward, it's about continuing Capitalist hedgemony.
Slowly worse is still better than quickly worse, as that means there's more time to find a better solution.
where's that evergreen ratchet meme
That's what they said back in '96 when I voted for Ralph Nader. Now we're on the precipice of American democracy falling to fascism, if not now, then very likely in 2028. That doesn't look to me anything like slowly getting better.
Some things have definitely improved in that time, e.g. the recognition of same-sex marriage, or the nascent resurgence of labor unions. Those things have been the result of slow, tough, hard work by the grassroots.
In that same time, though, the Democrats have been slowly helping to put the mechanisms of a fascist state in place, like the PATRIOT ACT, FISA, neutering the 4th Amendment, bolstering the Espionage Act, and setting up collaborative efforts between state police, Federal agencies, and the corporate sector to crush protest movements.
That said, the world is indeed shades of grey, and I voted for Biden in 2020 to stay fascism, if only for a little bit. It's better to vote for the right-wing candidate versus the fascist candidate. I want to vote for him again, but there are some lines that must never be crossed, and I can't in good conscience vote for a President enabling genocide. (The fact that both candidates do is madness.)
Maybe my calculus would be different if there were a reasonable chance that Democrats would do the things that are within their power to do to check the rise of fascism, but I have no confidence of that, as the track record shows otherwise.
Edit: Auto-correct damage.
Hey! So I know you are getting people being snarky and whatnot, but I have a legitimate question.
Could you address the question regarding how the Democrats are at least the party that are at least making slow progress, as opposed to not voting against the party that will turn the country into a Christian theocracy if given the chance?
Like I understand that you don't like either candidate - neither do we - but realistically, we know the winner will be either a Republican or a Democrat. Why not support the one that at least won't regress the country 500 years?
Because incrementalism is how we got to this situation in the first place.
Damn, you're way more succinct than I am.
So why hasn't he made anything get better during the three years he's been in office so far? If anything things have gotten worse.
That's hilarious and of course it's hexbear
Do you actually have anything to contribute to this conversation or are you just here to piss your pants because people you disagree with are making their voices heard?
I used to try to engage with you Hexbear users and all I got was mud thrown at me. You're not worth trying to debate because you never argue in good faith, your only goal is to spread propaganda.
Yeah we have a track record of being right, you can come to terms with it now or wait until the American flag punisher skull armbands come out.
The IRA act turbocharged private renewable energy investment. I saw multiple local projects that were already underway expand their scope immediately after the legislation was passed because the legislation made renewable energy far cheaper to build.
The new SAVE repayment plan for student loans allows families to pay significantly less on their student loans (I currently have a $0 payment with no interest gain on my 8k of student debt thanks to this plan, plus after 10 years of making my $0 payments any remaining balance will be forgiven)
Lol things have not gotten slowly better through voting ever or have you somehow missed the last 100 years?
Their username can answer this question
It is a little too on the nose
End of segregation. Interracial marriage legalized. Voting rights for native americans. LGBT rights...
Nope, no progress there.
I seem to remember those things happening because of protest and struggle.
Did those happen because people voted, or was it because of large-scale protests and pressure?
Have you?