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EU proposes some free movement for UK young people (www.bbc.com)

submitted 7 months ago by mannycalavera to c/uk_politics

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Labour has said it has "no plans for a youth mobility scheme" if it wins the general election later this year.

I wish Labour would have a backbone and stand up to the hard left of their voter base and out right reject this Brexit narrative. Sigh.... Not in my lifetime sadly. The two main parties are Brexit parties - one overtly, one covertly.

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[–] Womble@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I wish Labour would have a backbone and stand up to the hard left of their voter base and out right reject this Brexit narrative

What? Its not the hard left (who have been purged out of the party almost entirely) its the thought of pissing off elderly, socially conservative voters that makes Labour incredibly timid on Europe.

[–] mannycalavera 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Labour red wall voters in the 2019 GE would disagree with you.

[–] frazorth 1 points 7 months ago

Ignore them, they are just gaslighting. It's an attempt to rewrite history.

The far left were just as much against the EU with the argument that it removes power from individuals and consolidates it with bigger government, and that due to freedom of movement, you break local labour market power to enforce better pay. Just because you have some alignment, because they smash some big corporations, doesn't mean that their values will always be aligned and and that point you have lost control.

I called them morons back then too.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

Yes, those would be the elderly socially conservative voters i was talking about.

[–] frazorth 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

TIL Corbyn was not a hard left.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And which party is Corbyn currently a member of? See previous post about what has happened to the Labour left over the past few years.

[–] frazorth 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Don't change the subject.

Corbyn was against the EU, and supported Brexit. He made a couple of token comments after pressure from the rest of the party.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-diane-abbott-labour-tony-benn-brexiteer-b2283014.html

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-changing-brexit-stance

Are you saying he was a remainer, or not hard left?

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Im not changing the issue, the op said labour are NOW being weak on europe because of the hard left. They are not, the hard left have been purged by Starmer, they are soft on Europe for electoral reasons.

[–] mannycalavera 0 points 7 months ago

the hard left have been purged by Starmer, they are soft on Europe for electoral reasons.

The hard left have been removed by Starmer, you're right. But you can't avoid the fact that the electoral calculus for the Labour party is to appease the massive hard left northern voter base and stay quiet on anything that realigns the UK with the EU.

They might want to win Southern Tory Brexit votes, but that doesn't mean they want to loose Northern Labour Brexit votes. Starmer doesn't want a repeat of 2019 and he's happy to sacrifice closer EU ties as a cost of that potential win. The question is.... Are you?