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[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Honestly I don't get his fixation with defending Stalin specifically. Stalin wasn't the entirety of the USSR, just it's leader at a pivotal moment, and like most leaders he had flaws. If anything defending this one specific person in a leadership role of the USSR is a detriment to the reputation of the institution as a hole, the achievements of the Soviet Union weren't Stalin's alone. It really screams "I just worship a cult of personality" instead of "I'm trying to do an honest defense of a socialist project that has been smeared by most."

[–] Jelamzer@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

He is the most slanderd one so it makes sense to defend him 95% of anti soviet propaganda is connected to Stalin no even the biggest lib gives a shit about slandering brezhnev or khrushchev

i dont see the obssesion with some weird middle ground between lib that belives everything and crazy tankie

it comes off as the dumb thing leftists do where they say "maybe there is no Uyghur genocide"but there is still some bad things going on"

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

These are fair points, but I would point out, I don't think Furr's tactic of ruthlessly defending Stalin in particular is actually working, whether he actually is one or not, he's pretty much considered a quack by most people, including a decent amount of MLs.

Contrast this with Parenti, who writes extensively defending socialist projects, including the USSR, but doesn't shy away from acknowledging their missteps. Parenti is respected by pretty much everyone on the left, many of whom were ex-liberals who found his work engaging. Parenti seems to be doing a much better job of doing what Furr claims to be doing.

[–] Jelamzer@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

my point wasnt that we should never criticize the point is that we not should look at blatant propganda and say "huh maybe its 80% false instead of 100" too many people think naunce is when you accept some kind of slander and both

Parenti and Furr are whould be considerd to be crazy Tankies by the average person there is no such thing as a respctable tankie

Pretty sure Furr doesnt claim that AES that perfect either

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