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[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

From my perspective its because people won't change their beliefs unless they stop benefiting the believer. For people who live in a religious community, there church's sunday social event is enjoyable, there friends are all religious, there denomination provides a entire moral framework and worldview they don't even need to think about. Confirmation bias plays a major role in preventing alternate thought to block out other worldviews.

Only when someone does not gain much benefit from there religion or has a important part of there religion proven wrong, can they process alternative ideologies and either switch to a more useful denomination or stop believing entirely.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep I have a friend who joined a church after not going to one for years because of the social aspects of it. Lots of people their age to relate to.

We just need better secular groups to join with those benefits that aren't tied to religion. It's one of the reasons I'm always apprehensive about volunteering because I don't want the connection to religion. I know it doesn't matter my intent for those who benefit/what benefits from the volunteering, but it affects my long term commitment to the cause.

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Its a shame as well because many of the old social places such as rotary club and the masonic lodges have died out, and the new "third places" are online and/or expensive to access (vrchat comes to mind). Its no wonder so many people use social media these days.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But being closer to more "true" metaphysics and rationality is benefiting, though I guess that's probably not obviously apparent to everyone.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But being closer to more “true” metaphysics and rationality is benefiting,

What does this even mean. What are "true" metaphysics? Please tell me you're not just going to spew pseudoscientific nonsense at me.

[–] owen@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

My man popped some DMT then hopped on Lemmy

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The funny thing is that those words somehow have actual meaning. Metaphysics is the philosophy of existance. I believe the "true" metaphysics he refers to is the fact that it is unknowable if anything other then you exists, because there is no guarantee you are not a bozmian brain or living in a simulation along other things.

This ability combined with rationality can allow you to adapt to changes in your perception of reality, while other frameworks can't (for example there are still people who don't believe in evolution because there interpretation of god is dependent on god creating all species at the start)

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I put it in quotes because truth in this context is likely not binary. Here, "true" as in something that can be researched and argumented for rather than something that requires pure faith.

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, though for most believing in irrational things is "fine" (in that it doesn't harm them) until someone shows up to take advantage of it (I'm guessing at least one person is using ai to make it look like they can perform holy miracles on Facebook).

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But isn't that harm them? maybe indirectly but restricting your world view will restrict your agency. i.e. people will take advantage of you.

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Exactly, its fine until it isn't. Unfortunately most people don't seem to realize just because there beliefs work in the present doesn't mean they will continue to be beneficial in the future (e.g. a christian being recruited to work for free at the pastors business because "it is gods will")