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What's with all this pro-communist crap on lemmy?
We're down with Democratic socialism. They aren't the same.
We are communists in Lemmygrad. Are you lost buddy?
“Democratic socialism” is bullshit… Like if the burgeoise are just going to hand out the power because you vote “hard”. You are sooo deluded. Stop living in a dreamland.
My bad, I didn't realize we were on your weird propaganda instance.
Dude, you are the one who has been brainwashed by decades of Red Scare propaganda done by the West. Also, many many people on your instance are commies too. I constantly post commie stuff on your instance and get thousands of upvotes.
Just curious...
Since communism isn't illegal in western countries, and there's literally nothing stopping a bunch of comrades from starting a business where the workers maintain control over the means of production, where are all the successful communist companies?
Like if communism is sooooo superior to capitalism, why aren't communist operated businesses dominating the world?
New businesses are started all the time, so you would think there would be at least one successful communist company. Where are they?
Capitalism doesn't allow for socialism to exist within it. Under capitalism only cut throat business flourish. Trying to have an island of communism thrive on a sea of capitalism is like trying to plant apples in the desert. Only when the entire system becomes communist, it can thrive since capitalism is made for only to capitalism to make it. A company that values people over profits will be drive out of business by one that sells cheaper products by cutting all benefits to their employees and by paying them shit. That is why changing the whole system is the only way to go forward.
yeah right? if economic planning was superior to market uncertainty like all those stupid commies say then big capitalist firms would employ it internally!
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If those Libs bothered to read they'd be Marxists.
“A communist company”
Do you ever think before you say? Please at least do some fucking research before you say stupid shit like this. It might help you in the future.
Yes, this is called China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, North Korea, and the former USSR (and many others)
E: also not being snarky, mondragon and basically all co-ops are working as you suggest. Did you not know what a worker co-op was??
What is a communist business? How is it different from a normal business?
This is the epitome of
“iPhone? Capitalism! Ugg uhh! GOOD!”
“No iPhone! COMMUNISM! Ugg uhh! NO GOOD!”
You have no fucking clue what words mean. Communism describes an economic system of nations (typically). It doesn’t describe companies. Nor does capitalism.
What you’re asking about (you’re not really asking for anything- you’re just a terrible right wing troll) is called a worker co-op. Which do exist sometimes and a few have been successful.
But that’s irrelevant because we’re discussing a system under which rich guy’s whose family stole land/wealth (primitive accumulation! Read!) does NOT get to be the Lord of his little fiefdom. His stolen, and do not think for a second it’s not stolen, assets/wealth/land would be taken back and held in common, in a state most likely, and workers would use these resources, factories, whatever, to produce commodities not for profit but for the betterment of society as a whole. Surplus value, profits, would be reinvested into society, not hoarded by capitalist dude or his family.
So, long story short, nothing changes. Except for one thing. The thieves at the top who stole are brought back down to earth. Possibly executed depending on their crimes coughEloncough or forcefully made a worker again- OH NO, THE HORRORS!
Looks at most recent post sees -7 votes
you’re the one who’s from lemmy.world, and here you are calling us a “propaganda instance” you fucking shitlib.
There are two components of the modern Western system, capitalism and liberalism. They are both flawed and breaking systems. If you're a democratic socialist, you have already concluded that capitalism is no good. However, liberalism is also a flawed, broke system. This extends beyond that liberalism in the way capitalism justifies itself. It is liberal democracy, an archaic system rooted in the same flaws as capitalism. If you take over or build liberal democracy with socialism, your endeavor will fail and probably become something like capitalism. You must change more than the words used and the goals of accountants; you must change how people relate to power.
I can't for the life of me figure out how you'd even separate liberalism and capitalism. They are almost synonyms. The two have gone hand in hand for almost 400 years.
That's my point; democratic socialism is attempting to do that, which is doomed.
Long live revolution!
Lol you commented in the wrong place! And SocDems are falling for fascist parties sooooooo fuck SocDems, fuck fascism and fuck capitalism.
Say it loud comrade!!
The dictatorship of the proletariat is the democratic expression of the working class interest, socialism IS democratic already so there's no need to try and retrofit the liberal definition of "democracy" to it.
“Democratic Socialists” believe that they can overthrow the bourgeoisie just by voting in the current system. That is why they add the “democratic” part.
The devs are literally commies, and the early adopters were all commies.