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Russia’s economy is now completely driven by the war in Ukraine – it cannot afford to lose, but nor can it afford to win (theconversation.com)

submitted 9 months ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

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Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/9438338

Military pay, ammunition, tanks, planes, and compensation for dead and wounded soldiers, all contribute to the GDP figures. Put simply, the war against Ukraine is now the main driver of Russia’s economic growth.

And it is a war that Russia cannot afford to win. The cost of rebuilding and maintaining security in a conquered Ukraine would be too great, and an isolated Russia could at best hope to become a junior partner entirely dependent on China.

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[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The first hit on NATO-soil will change the lame economical stance of Europe. Not good news for Ukraine sadly as NATO until then will be dragging its feet. I don't understand why.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

NATO is a defensive pact and Ukraine is not in it.

If a NATO member declared war on Russia there is no obligation from others to go to war.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago

Because Ukraine is not in NATO?

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Because going to war is always a very, VERY bad idea, which should only ever be considered if all other alternatives are even worse.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 10 points 9 months ago

Starting a was is a bad idea. Preparing to defend yourself it not a bad idea.

[+] ladicius@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not a troll, but I'm used to the hate by now.
Public opinion feels pretty pre-WW1-ish lately.
Let's give it to those ~~Krauts~~ ~~Gooks~~ ~~Hajis~~ Orcs! If we go in with all we got, we'll be home by Christmas!

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There is a difference between saying " If we go in with all we got, we’ll be home by Christmas!" and "we need to prepare so if they come with all they got, they will not be home before Christmas".

It is not people feels pretty pre-WWI (at least pre-WWII) but on the other hand they don't want another post-WWI (or post-WWII)

And the only way is to be able to say to your enemy "don't even try to start" and meaning it.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Russia can't even handle their war against Ukraine. Even if NATO maintains their status quo (which they aren't as pretty much NATO member is ramping up defense spending) Russia wouldn't be able to do much in a conventional war. But it wouldn't stay a conventional war for long, as nukes would quickly start flying.