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Why does China make so many "Marxist-Leninists" go crazy? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 8 months ago by fire86743@lemmygrad.ml to c/communism@lemmygrad.ml
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It's like China is just that one country (aside from the Khmer Rouge) that every ML (aside from Dengists like us) agrees to hate on.

Fellow Traveler and leftypol uploaded videos criticizing them, the Shining Path hung up literal dogs to protest them, Maoists go all insane saying that it's some red fash social-imperialist nation because (insert nato propaganda here). And Hoxhaists claim that China was never socialist and that the only socialist nation ever was USSR before Khrushchev and almighty holy Albania.

What is it that makes China so controversial even among MLs? I get that it's not perfect and every AES state has their Ls, but jesus.

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[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 76 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

A lot of it is the western left's fetish for defeat, as Jones Manoel pointed out in that great article, and which Losurdo is really good at highlighting.

Another part is western chauvinism, that communist expertise must come from those in western europe or the US (who've never had any victories and so are talking out of turn), and that eastern communists / (insert whatever racialized term like hordes here) can't comprehend and apply Marxism.

Anarchists are the biggest offenders for both of those.

Another big part is the short-term mindset that's unable to see the bargain (ie the tradeoff of temporary low wage exploitation for long-term technology and expertise) , for what it really is: a long-term strategy to end colonialism, transfer control of production out of the hands of western capital, and a way out of the low-wage trap every global south nation is suffering under.

The Long Game and Its Contradictions is probably the best introduction to SWCC, and outlines what this strategy entails.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 8 months ago

Speaking of He Zhao, it seems he got deplatformed. Does anyone know where I can read his stuff other than archive.org? We might want to set up some backup location on prolewiki for these kinds of deplatformed writers (with their permission of course).

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit crazy seeing Jones Manoel being mentioned here on lemmy. One of our best 🙌

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People mention the adaptation of his talk on Animal Farm reasonably often, at least: https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/

[–] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Very good to see. Jones Manoel is a true ML leader. I hope to see him in the vanguard of Brazilian revolutionary movement, if we are going to ever get there.

[–] harpia_vermelho@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

@novibe@lemmy.ml are you aware of lemmy.eco.br? We could use some more marxists there too :D

[–] harpia_vermelho@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know Jones Manual? Are you from Brazil too?

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not, I've just read him.

[–] harpia_vermelho@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Cool, I never expected to see that he is known elsewhere.