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People living in RVs count as homeless?
This question is such a depressing example of Bay-Area inhumanity. God Bless America
I feel secure in asserting that the bay area is not representative of America.
I have driven across the US multiple times, in what way is it not? The bay area is a lot more than San Francisco
You're joking, right?
I wasn't being totally serious, it's true the bay area is significantly more racially diverse than the US as a whole, but the issues and political atmosphere in the area isn't so far removed from the general population.
most of the people outside the bay area dont know that most of the people in the bay outside of SF generally doesnt like the city and is completely unrepresentative to what the Bay actually is like.
Even within SF there's plenty of great areas, but "peace and tranquility in the sunset district" doesn't make headlines. SF has a ton of problems and I really hope we can fix them in the long term, but they tend to only be in certain parts of the city. Saying all of SF is like this is akin to saying the entire bay area is like SF. They're both massive overgeneralizations.
You need a reality check.
There is no other part of the US where people leave their cars open so thieves can see there's nothing to steal.
There is no other part of the US where a mob has destroyed an autonomous taxi.
Other than perhaps Manhattan and sections of LA there is no place with higher housing prices.
These are very, very far removed from the rest of the US.
The first point about leaving your car open, people do that everywhere, car break-ins are prevelant across the country.
There are very high housing prices but also high wages, though yes it's worse than a lot of the country as far as inequality. The bay area is more than San Francisco though, have you spent much time in the area? If there were more autonomous Waymo cars in cities this wouldn't be the only time it's happened.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? There is no other city in this nation where people leave their cars open. Not a single one.
You're either trolling or so disconnected from reality it's terrifying.
On the off chance you're just ignorant this is your official notice: the way you live is not normal.
This is one of the most intense responses to a comment I've ever had and I was just mentioning an observation of my life experience lol, I don't understand where you are coming from with this.
Ok, trolling for sure.
There's no way a person could be literate and have access to the Internet and be that ignorant.
Ignorant of what?? The things I see with my eyes and ears in real life? I'm seriously baffled, what the fuck is your deal, I even said you were correct
Wtf are YOU talking about?? What are you basing that on? I have lived in multiple cities where many people leave their car window down so it doesn't get broken. Even suburbs!
I am baffled by this exchange right now haha. Is there some kind of study that has shown no city has smash and grab crime like SF? It's common nearly everywhere in the US. Are you trying to say SF is a crime-ridden hellhole like no other?
It really, really isn't common.
Here's an NBC report from two years ago: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/breaking-point-sf-suffers-highest-rate-of-car-break-ins-compared-to-atlanta-dc-dallas-la/2731757/
The TL;DR is that the top cities in terms of car break-ins (per 1,000 people) are:
San Francisco - 19.8 Seattle - 19.7 Atlanta - 12.9 D.C. - 10.4 Dallas - 7.8 Houston - 7.5 L.A. - 6.0
That shit ain't normal. Outside of San Francisco and apparently Seattle. The whole rest of the country doesn't have this problem.
It is a more common problem in certain cities, I'm not denying that but that doesn't mean it's rare in other places. I didn't know it was that much higher there though, that does make those top cities outliers.
Often the RVs in places like OP is referring to are dilapidated and don't run, with tarps on them, not connected to water or power. Essentially a small shanty house in a slum so I guess it depends on your definition
Last I checked, RVs are not permanent or semi permanent structures, nor do they have addresses, so... Yes. It's living in your car, just a bigger car with amenities
Which should absolutely NOT be made illegal. Give these people places to actually park their RVs that have facilities to use, instead of pushing more people to end up on the streets.
Someone should be allowed the freedom to live in an RV if they so choose or can't afford anything else.
Just help give them a decent place to do it.
One hundred percent agreed
The RVs are usually not drivable. The last time they moved them in front of my old job, none of them ran. They had to tow away more than they drove away. I guess you can argue that doesn't make them totally homeless, but they are definitely creative.
Homeless doesn't necessarily mean sleeping under a bridge. You can be crashing at a friend's place and still be homeless if you don't have a home of your own to go back to. An illegally parked RV with no mailing address doesn't count as a home for most purposes.
But how many of those people would consider themselves homeless? RV shit is a total fucking lifestyle for a lot of people.
It's not a lifestyle if it's not by choice. Try finding a job without an address. The people that do it as a "lifestyle" are usually just wealthy turds or social media dweebs larping as happy families on the road despite their kids being obviously miserable
Well... Yeah. That's why I asked how many of them consider themselves homeless? Obviously some are forced to but then there's some people who just really fucking like RVs?
I would guess that most of them consider themselves homeless. Especially if they're living in those makeshift tent cities. Either way, they are homeless if they don't have an address.
Everyone in this area mentioned in the above comment is in the former group. None are in the latter group.
When it's parked on the side of the road, yeah.