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Ireland women's basketball team refuse to shake hands with Israel (www.bbc.com)

submitted 9 months ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

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In an interview on the Israeli Basketball Association's website, Israeli player Dor Saar said before the game: "It's known that they are quite anti-semitic and it's no secret, and maybe that's why a strong game is expected.

"We have to show that we're better than them and win. We talk about it among ourselves. We know they don't love us and we will leave everything on the field always and in this game especially."

Basketball Ireland's statement prior to the start of the game read: "Basketball Ireland informed Fiba Europe yesterday that as a direct result of recent comments made by Israeli players and coaching staff - including inflammatory and wholly inaccurate accusations of anti-Semitism, published on official Israeli Federation channels - that our players will not be partaking in traditional pre-match arrangements with our upcoming opponents.

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[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't. If you click on "Jews" on the wikipedia it says right in the beginning:

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[12] and nation[13][14][15][16][17]

The jewish are a people. Many of them aren't even religious. Antisemitism created israel. and not the other way around.

Here another wikipedia article on distinguishing antisemitism and criticism of Israel.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It sounds like you are right, but I don't feel this is the way it's being used. Or maybe the world is moving towards a distinction and seperatuon of the two?

Also, what do you mean with Israel exists because of antisemitism?

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well I think the reality is really complex and intertwined. Jewish people live in Israel because, historically speaking, they aren't safe anywhere else. In this context here: It would be safe to say that the jewish player's ancestors sought refuge in Israel because they were not welcome in the country they previously lived in (That could be Germany, Russia, Yemen, Iran etc). Many of them had no other choice and for many, Israel was the only hope for a life in dignity and safety. Completely separating jewish identity and israeli identity is impossible, it is connected.

but I don’t feel this is the way it’s being used

In a way I agree. The concept of anti-semitism is used when it is convenient. People are called anti-semites when they call out the war crimes commited by Israelis far right government, and likewise people categorically refuse to acknowledge that criticizing israel can be antisemitic. It is totally polarized, and people don't care about context anymore.

what do you mean with Israel exists because of antisemitism?

Zionism is a movement founded by european jews who have suffered from persecution for centuries. So they believe that to protect themselves from their oppression, they needed an own nation. Jews started to understand themselves as a people. And not to mention, The Shoa made millions of people seek refuge in Israel/Palestine after world war two. So in short, if anti-semitism wasn't a thing, the nation-state of Israel wouldn't even be an idea.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Well I think the reality is really complex and intertwined. Jewish people live in Israel because, historically speaking, they aren’t safe anywhere else.

I hear this claim a lot. But in the view of the recent killing of over a thousand Israeli's this really doesn't seem to be true. Israel also constantly claim to be surrounded by hostile nations which would eradicate all of them given the chance. From this perspective countries like the US, while far from being free of antisemitism seem more safe for Jews than Israel.

The only thing Israelis in Israel are safe from, is antisemitism from the sate. But as we've seen the state has catastrophically failed to ensure the safety of their citizens. And they continue to make the whole situation worse and are currently ensuring that at least for one or two generations the hatred between Israel and Palestine will continue.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess that is the big tagedy. which leads a lot of israeli into very militant and isolationist positions. Defending autonomy and self determination at all costs. Which also causes a lot of suffering on other people.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

Big tragedy is a pretty apt description of the whole fucking shit show in that conflict.