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We live in a post information scarcity society and we still haven't moved on from capitalism. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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Edit: Changed title to be more accurate.

Also here is the summary from Wikipedia on what Post-scarcity means:

Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor needed, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely. Post-scarcity does not mean that scarcity has been eliminated for all goods and services but that all people can easily have their basic survival needs met along with some significant proportion of their desires for goods and services. Writers on the topic often emphasize that some commodities will remain scarce in a post-scarcity society.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Tax the rich" is woefully insufficient. A good start, but that's it.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And what's your starting point?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Education, and building up parallel structures like networks of Mutual Aid, and mass unionization. Increasing taxation helps, but without parallel structures and an increasingly educated populace taxes are just money spent to continue fueling the Military Industrial Complex. Taxing with no real direction doesn't actually help, you need both cause and action.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A lot of generalities. How about something specific? Something people can do right now? You didn't even mention getting people registered to vote.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I already gave you specifics, like unionization. Voting is important, yes, but are you genuinely asking me for an entire actionable platform for you to implement in your daily life?

  1. Read. Read as much as you can about as much as you can, but chief among those read about how to organize, protest, and cooperate outside the bounds of Capitalist structures.
  2. Register to vote. Voting is important as loss prevention. It may be fairly useless at a federal level for getting actual change, but it is great for loss prevention at the federal level, and meaningful change can absolutely happen at the local level.
  3. Organize. Unionize your workplace, set up a community garden, volunteer for your local Food Not Bombs, participate in developing FOSS, and more.
  4. Reject proprietary software and try to source your goods from co-operatives and unionized workplaces, where possible.
  5. Teach others. Try to use all you have learned to convince others to follow suit.

You happy now?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Vague calls to 'organize' and 'read' aren't specifics.

You talk about 'organizing' and don't include anything like a link or a phone number. No training for people to create a Union.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Got it, you're just trolling now.

The original point of this convo was that you thought that it's okay to use incorrect terms as long as it gets people to move, and my point is that it's better to educate people so they can come to the correct conclusions by themselves, and can better make decisions in the future without relying on a benevolent party of individuals to tell them exactly what to think.

You then proceed to squirrel away and dodge every single point I make.

I can't give you a phone number or a link without knowing where you work and what your workplace and position is. If you want the next best thing, the Industrial Workers of the World has resources for you: https://www.iww.org/. You can also go to the Anarchist Library: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index and the Marxist Internet Archive: https://www.marxists.org/ if you want theoretical texts.

What's your new way to squirrel out? Either admit that using the correct terms and educating people to be able to come to correct conclusions themselves is better than using incorrect terms deliberately, or answer why you think it's better to try to guide people at each and every step, even if it puts way more work on the activists and results in a population out of touch with what is going on around them.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

It took you however many tries to post something that someone could actually use, and you're still going on about how correct you are.

And no, you still haven't proven to me that using 'correct terms' matters in the least.

But you're right about one thing, this is pointless.