I just don't base my beliefs on self-contradictory and often batshit insane orders from long dead idiots and wielders of unearned authority pretending to represent a fictional being that's its own dad.

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In another comment you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman. And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests like I am in charge of a completely different denomination which I am not even a member of.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman

No. There is a shitload of evidence of widespread child rape committed by Christian churches. There's no evidence of me being a nihilist and there wouldn't be since I'm not.

And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests

That was obviously a facetious rhetorical question.

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but there's evidence of athiests being nihilists and claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality, which has led to atrocities. So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians but Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?

So if you're using various Christian institutions as arguments against Christianity, then I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions. Or Nazi Germany (Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not and was only using the label to get votes) who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

there's evidence of athiests being nihilists

Nope. Not believing in religion is not the same thing as not believing in anything. Far from it.

claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality

Another ridiculous strawman 🙄

which has led to atrocities

Nope. If any beliefs have led to atrocities, it's religious ones. In fact, religion is probably the number two cause of murder after greed.

So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians

No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.

Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?

Correct.

I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions

You could, but you'd be stupid to do so. Those millions died because of politics, not a lack of religion.

Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not

He was and then he wasn't. He was never an atheist, though:

During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. He also criticized atheism.

Source for more details

who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.

Which the worst Christian bigots do to this day. It's debatable whether or not Donald Trump is a Christian himself, but he's referred to groups of people he doesn't like as vermin and his Christian bigot followers cheered.

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.

Okay. What Church? The Roman Catholic church? That has nothing to do with me and little to do with the teachings of Christianity as a whole, there are many Christian churches.

And Ironically, how come I am a bigot all of a sudden? Is it because I am Christian? Why do you think that? Do you think that we're all the same?

And yeah, Trump has said abhorrent things. He is an abhorrent person. But he hasn't followed the teachings of Jesus, such as the rich man and lazarus.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What Church?

Not every single local chapel or whatever, but all of the denominations. Catholic, Orthodox, Southern Baptist, First Baptist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist etc. You name one and there's been clergy raping children. Including whichever sect you belong to.

how come I am a bigot all of a sudden? Is it because I am Christian?

No, it's because of your bigoted statements, such as your automatic assumption that all atheists are nihilists and that atheism leads to evil.

Trump has said abhorrent things. He is an abhorrent person. But he hasn't followed the teachings of Jesus, such as the rich man and lazarus.

The vast majority of the people who worship him call themselves Christians, though. Are they all lying?

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You said including whatever sect I belong to, yet I don't belong to any of them. The church I regularly attend has no known cases of child abuse. If there was and it wasn't handled appropriately, I would be among the first to leave.

Athiesm is inherently evil by the Christian definition because it leads people away from God.

Are they all lying? Yes.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The church I regularly attend has no known cases of child abuse.

I specifically said sect and denomination, not church as in the building. Don't try to play even more dumb than you are. Name your denomination and I'll be able to find at least one child abuse scandal.

An environment where they'll be an unquestioned authority figure with the power of heaven and hell as far as the children know and lots of time alone with said miniature slaves is the perfect opportunity for a child molester. Especially in the completely inhumane sects where they expect them to be celibate for life as soon as they enter the priesthood.

Athiesm is inherently evil by the Christian definition because it leads people away from God.

Fun fact: the vast majority of atheists started out religious and then decided for themselves to leave your cult. Some people not sharing your delusions isn't some grand conspiracy to corrupt you and other "righteous" zealots.

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not going to doxx myself by telling you the name of that church, but it's low-church. Meaning that it has nothing to do with other churches in the denomination (unlike high Church like Roman Catholic or the Church of England where it's one big institution)

Fun fact: the vast majority of atheists started out religious

And? Athiesm is a new concept, since most of the world is religious, people emerge with athiesm. And a lot of athiests grow up in a lukewarm religious environment anyway.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I'm not going to doxx myself by telling you the name of that church, but it's low-church. Meaning that it has nothing to do with other churches in the denomination (unlike high Church like Roman Catholic or the Church of England where it's one big institution)

Ah, so you're in a Christianity-derived cult. The unhinged zealotry makes more sense now.

Athiesm is a new concept

No, atheism is the default condition of human beings before anyone indoctrinates them.

since most of the world is religious, people emerge with athiesm

Other way around. Literally every single human on earth is born an atheist and then 99.99% of the people who become religious do so because others told them they had to.

And a lot of athiests grow up in a lukewarm religious environment anyway.

Maybe because it's easier to escape a cult that's less intense about the threats of eternal hellfire and shunning from society? Just a thought.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, but see, if you don't call him by his real name, wackytoodlerpops, you are committing blasphemy by worshipping a false idol. Ergo, free grounds for some chop chop in my cult, at least until we get to the religious stage and actually have to establish a stable society which has to consider things like trade from and mingling with the outside world. That's sort of why Scientology has had to tone down on its fair game policy.

[–] Flax_vert 1 points 7 months ago

Do Muslims think that?

[–] h3rm17@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Well, El was just A god in the Canaanite pantheon (hence the lines like "You will worship me before other gods" and such in the Old Testament (not a transcription, English is not my main).

Then he went all "now worship only ME" and El ended up meaning God.