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I think it also fundamentally changes the conversation. Valid but "unpopular" comments can't get buried in downvotes. The voting system on Reddit was based on a sane logic that totally neglected to consider how people actually behave.. the idea of up and down votes to crowd-source relevance and quality of content makes sense, but all anyone did was use it as an agree / disagree button which broke the idea entirely.
How does it work if a user on another instance (that has downvotes enabled) downvotes comments on BeeHaw.org communities? Are they ignored? Can other instances see them?
At least on Jerboa it displays a notification saying that downvotes are disabled.
Well you're a beehaw user. I'm not, and I can actually downvote things here. I'm just not sure if it actually effects anything.
it does not, and if it looks like it does then that's all on your end (presumably because whatever you're using can't quite parse the lack of downvotes and gets a bit confused) but doesn't register on ours
As I was able to confirm, looks like anyone else on the same instance can see my downvotes. But not anyone on any other instance, even if they have downvotes too.
I mean, does it seem to change the vote numbers when you do it? Like, try downvoting my reply and we'll see if it results in us both seeing a 0. :P
Downvoted as well. Looks like no since other people have also downvoted you and you're still at 1
I'll have to test- maybe other users on my instance can see my downvotes, but they won't federate because BeeHaw rejects them. And therefore no other instance can see them.
Edit: Okay so I've confirmed it.
When downvoting content on an instance that doesn't allow downvotes, you can see only the downvotes that come from other users on your instance. I can see two downvotes now, which happened just after I used a second account to downvote.
I am pleased for my role in performing science today. :D
Science is not that hard as people think :P Thank you my friend.
Kinda get the reasoning behind it, however some commonality here would be good over time as Lemmy is developed
Sorry to crash your theory but I think I see your downvotes
Downvoted for testing purposes, showing score Of 0 for this comment for me currently
I'm seeing a 1 on my end, so either things are lagging out for different users and I'm about to see a massive chunk hit...
Or it's all localized. :P
Downvoted from my instance and it's a zero. No record of the other downvotes being tested here though. Maybe it's humouring me with a fake downvote but not really transferring across to your post?
That's what seems to be the case. So, it's looking like it's basically a placebo button for y'all. :P
Just chiming in to remark how hilarious and wholesome these downvote comments are! =D
I'm still tickled hours later at how eager folks were to figure that out. :D
Downvoted.. :)
I'm still seeing a 1 here. So, I think the downvote is literally just a placebo for you. :P
Hehe I think that's awesome. :)
All the satisfaction of downvoting someone for being wrong, but none of the knock-on social effects, eh?
Okay so I've confirmed it.
When downvoting content on an instance that doesn't allow downvotes, you can see only the downvotes that come from other users on your instance. I can see two downvotes now, which happened just after I used a second account to downvote.
I gave you a downvote, not to be mean but to test it. Can others see it?
I'm on lemmy.sdf.org and I currently see 18 upvotes, 0 downvotes on bdonvr's comment.
I am on Beehaw and see a downvote count of zero when I long press on the vote count. I have been curious about how it works when people from other instances interact with Beehaw communities and others that don't allow downvotes. I didn't know if Beehaw still receives that external vote data through federation, tallies it, and hides it or if it was dropped entirely. I guess there's also the possibility that votes are only registered to the local instance where a comment is viewed, but I hadn't considered that.
Yes, I can see the downvotes on comments and posts. I'm registered to the lemmy.world instance
Edit: But not sure if I'm seeing downvotes from all instances or just mine?
Absolutely. Your only choices for not getting downvotes was to say something everyone will agree with, or cloak yourself in 1000 layers of sarcasm and jokes so no one can shut you down anyways.
And as I mentioned I am extremely sincere and don't care for defensive irony. Not for me.
Always just stuck to the smaller, interest/specific topic focused subreddits as a result.
I've seen a lot of comments that were against the grain but still upvoted on reddit. I'm not saying they never downvote comments they don't like but if you are getting downvoted consistently and without interactions it might be more than just being sincere.
I'm not saying that I got downvotes consistently. Just that it has happened for really innocuous reasons, and in general the threat of downvotes keeps me from engaging much at all.
I can understand how you might think that not knowing who I am, but I assure you I really do try to be genuinely nice and don't court controversy (I haven't the energy for it). It's fine if you don't believe that though, I'm just a random person on the internet.
That's my experience too. Downvotes are not supposed to be for disagreeing but they are used like that since people can't handle someone disagreeing. :)
And a tool that can be used by bots or people with multiple fake accounts to burry comments.
Yup 100%.