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TranscriptAlabama suffocated a man to death in a gas chamber tonight after starving him so he wouldn't choke on his own vomit as they did it. And this was deemed perfectly legal by multiple courts in the vaunted American legal system.

That's what happens when you value institutions over people.

Link for more info: https://www.reuters.com/legal/alabama-prepares-carry-out-first-execution-by-nitrogen-asphyxiation-2024-01-25/

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[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's my understanding as well. So since I don't see anyone else saying this in detail here goes:

I am not a biologist or a medical professional, but this is my understanding of the process.

The human body does not monitor blood oxygen levels. When you or I hold our breath, the feeling of urgent discomfort we feel is due to a rise in the carbon dioxide (more specifically the carbonic acid) in our blood. Inhaling pure nitrogen will still allow CO2 to exit the bloodstream, so if someone is not made aware of the fact that they are breathing pure nitrogen, they won't even know they are dying.

This person knew they were being executed, which I can only imagine induced a ton of stress and anxiety, yes. However, if you were to tell me that I was being executed tomorrow but I could pick which of the methods currently employed in the US I would be killed by, this would be at the top of the list.

If you want to argue that executing people is morally wrong and we should stop, sure, let's have that discussion. However, we don't need to characterize this method as more inhumane than others to do so.

[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately it appears they didn't use a system which extracted CO2 from the air supply.

This is problematic with a mask vs. a chamber the CO2 concentration within the mask would have increased.

That would mean CO2 would not leave the lungs.

So the CO2 probably did build up in his blood and he experienced a suffocation sensation as if he held his breath.

We know how to kill people humanely. That was not the way this was done.

Even if someone wanted to die, this would have been an inhumane thing to do to someone.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself. I for one personally believe that capitol punishment is inherently inhumane and shouldn't be practiced in a functional contemporary society.

That said, nitrogen asphyxiation is by far one of the most humane execution methods employed today and, on paper, shouldn't cause the victim any pain, discomfort or distress. If you actually look at the symptoms of nitrogen narcosis and hypoxia you'll see that pretty clearly.

In this case, as the article explains, the victims suffering was self inflicted as a result of stress, distress, and previous medical conditions.

To paraphrase the article, a previously botched execution via lethal injection years before resulted in ongoing nausea. The man expressed concern that this could cause him to vomit in the nitrogen mask which could have caused him to drown in his own vomit so he was starved for 10 hours prior to prevent this from happening.

During the actual execution, the victim reportedly attempted to hold his breath as long as he could before struggling against his restraints for as long has he retained consciousness. This is just a stress response to being executed, not a side effect of the execution method. It's not an uncommon reaction to various other execution methods like gas chambers or lethal injection.

If you want inhumane execution methods, lethal injections are often botched and typically in extremely painful and torturous ways.

Arguably, the most humane, quickest, and most reliable painless method would probably be something like the guillotine but I'd be surprised if that got widespread support.

Again, by no means do I support capitol punishment but as execution methods go, this is probably the most humane way we've tried so far.

[–] DrMorose@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The guillotine?! Which your brain/consciousness can stay functioning for 30 sec and up to like 4 min? That is better than nitrogen asphyxiation?

Now by all means by your criteria, yes it is fast and there is very little room for failure. However I think we still don't know if it is as painless as we perceive it to be with how long you can stay concieous.

Regardless I am also of the same mind that we could move away from capital punishment as a society.