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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a definition of "working class" but not generally what people outside certain academic contexts mean when they say that phrase; using the more common definition does not indicate "confusion about your class status."

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As with many terms describing social class, working class is defined and used in many different ways. One definition, used by many socialists, is that the working class includes all those who have nothing to sell but their labour. These people used to be referred to as the proletariat. In that sense, the working class today includes both white and blue-collar workers, manual and menial workers of all types, excluding only individuals who derive their livelihood from business ownership and the labour of others.

Emphasis mine. I'm not sure how the OP differs in this definition. If you HAVE to work to survive, you aren't earning a livelihood from ownership and the labor of others (passive income).

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So the poor CEO making a few million a year who is only selling his labor to the company, is working class. The guy who retired at 70 is upper class because he's living off his investments

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only if he needs that job. But he probably has enough stock options he could retire.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So now some random office worker with stock options is upper class? Tech companies often offer them as part of compensation, not sure about other ones

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buying into strategic labour divisions perpetuated by the ownership class for their benefit does not convey a comprehension of the language.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, insisting on using a nonstandard definition exclusive to a tiny minority of speakers, so that you can then talk past your interlocutor, wasting both of your time until they finally realize you're intentionally being an uncooperative speaker, makes way more sense. 🙄

I guess at least this way you get to feel a smug, undeserved sense of superiority in the process though, so who's to say which way is really better.