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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Cry some more. The constitution was used to remove him. If you have problems with that, then take it up with the founding fathers. Per the 14th amendment, NO CONVICTION is required. Removing a proven insurrectionist from the ballot is DEMOCRACY.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

If they challenge its use for 14th we can challenge it for the 2nd.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Removing a proven insurrectionist from the ballot is ~~DEMOCRACY~~ following the rule of law in the United States. Exempting individuals from the rule of law is anti-democratic.

All people having representation and subject to the rule of law are fundamental principles of democracy.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not if you're a fucking insurrectionist. Refer to the 14th amendment. No conviction is required. Plain and simple.

[–] StinkyOnions@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Removing a proven insurrectionist from the ballot is ~~DEMOCRACY~~ following the rule of law in the United States. Exempting individuals from the rule of law is anti-democratic. All people having representation and subject to the rule of law are fundamental principles of democracy.

So, per your own logic, the fundamental principles of Democracy require people to have representation and are subjected to the rule of law. So, with Trump being removed from the ballot using the 14th amendment, which, in your own words he is being subjected to the rule law. Which makes his removal Democratic? No?

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I'm being nit-picky. All I was trying to say was the original phrasing was "democracy at large says an insurrectionist cannot run for office" which is untrue. It is a US implementation of democracy specific case.

Another country could have no restrictions on candidates and it would be completely democratic for an insurrectionist to run for office.

[–] StinkyOnions@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, we aren't talking about other countries. We are talking about US Democracy.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago